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23-08-2015, 04:49 PM
RE: Oppressive Secular Laws
(23-08-2015 04:36 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(23-08-2015 04:08 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  That's exactly what I was thinking, FreeThought. Liberals will call you names, some of which may be unfair. Conservatives will beat you up or kill you if you push them too far. I don't really know of this phenomenon occurring among liberals.
If I had to pick a group to be hostile with, I'd go with the Libs.
Not too many conservatives will kill you, but too many liberals will mock you.
Oh, take "Black Lies Matter". They are not conservatives. But they shoot cops, beat up white people and destroy properties.
What do we want? dead cops
When do we want them dead? now

You whine about a police state coming to the U.S., yet you cannot see that many blacks are already living under those circumstances. It's wrong if it happens to you, but OK if it's happeming to others?

My, you are a delicate little self centered spoiled ........ person.

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23-08-2015, 05:00 PM
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(23-08-2015 04:42 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(23-08-2015 04:39 PM)Reltzik Wrote:  But you will not be thrown in jail for it.

Or fined for it.

Or suffer any sort of legal consequences for it.
Not yet
(23-08-2015 04:39 PM)Reltzik Wrote:  Which, really, is the same thing we atheists suffer when we say there's no God, right down to whether we can say it as agents of the government.
It is true.
(23-08-2015 04:39 PM)Reltzik Wrote:  You're not special, and you're not persecuted
not yet.
when atheists get power they persecute.

I'd take this seriously enough to compose a coherent and rational response to the idea of a 3% atheist minority seizing power and persecuting a 70% Christian majority... perhaps by asking you to show where in Scandinavia this is happening... except it's in the context of ENDING PERSECUTION OF A MINORITY BY CHRISTIANS. Another Christian crying persecution because Christians are losing their ability to persecute.

Marriage is between a man and a woman? WHICH MARRIAGE? Religious marriage? Some religions, yes. Mormon marriages, sure. (EDIT: Well, LDS. Some fundamentalist mormons still do polygamy and child marriages.) Some Christian marriages, though liberal Christianity is starting to get into same-sex marriage practice. What the Bible says? That's one man plus many wives and concubines. Unitarian-Universalist marriages? Flexible. Muslim marriages? It's up to three women! Legal marriages? Depends on jurisdiction and the laws change.

Let's keep it real. Churches are still allowed to deny and refuse to recognize interracial marriages in the US. In thirty years, they'll still be allowed to deny same-sex marriages. If people vote with their feet, it's just because the government doesn't force them to stay with a church they don't like and doesn't ban alternative religions. If people cry foul and express their discontent, it's because the government doesn't silence them just because the target of their discontent is a religion. AS WELL IT SHOULDN'T.

Government marriage and religious marriage are not the same thing. Changing religious marriage does not change government marriage. Changing government marriage doesn't change religious marriage. It's only people who engage in an idolatry of the state -- yes, idolatry, meaning the regard of a construct of humanity as equal and conflated with something that is sacred and heavenly -- that can't tell the difference.

Instead of arguing about who should or shouldn't be in power in government, would you agree to a compromise position where we just neuter the ability of the government to engage in persecution? That way, no matter who's got the reins of government, they can't use that power to persecute anyone. Not a religious government and not an atheist government, but a secular government that is neither for nor against religion, one with rules in place to enforce its neutrality.
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23-08-2015, 05:01 PM (This post was last modified: 23-08-2015 05:05 PM by RocketSurgeon76.)
RE: Oppressive Secular Laws
(23-08-2015 04:42 PM)Alla Wrote:  when atheists Leninist/Stalinists get power they persecute.

Fixed!

(Edit to Add: Fuckin' right ON, Reltzik!!)

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23-08-2015, 05:02 PM
RE: Oppressive Secular Laws
(23-08-2015 04:49 PM)Thinkerbelle Wrote:  You whine about a police state coming to the U.S., yet you cannot see that many blacks are already living under those circumstances. It's wrong if it happens to you, but OK if it's happeming to others?
I can see that Black Lies Matter do not give a fuck about little girl that was killed the other day while she was doing her homework in her home. But they give a fuck about criminal like Mike Brown.
(23-08-2015 04:49 PM)Thinkerbelle Wrote:  My, you are a delicate little self centered spoiled ........ person.
Yes, yes, whatever.
what was the name of that little black girl that was killed? does her life really matter? I don't see any outrage or burning businesses because she was killed.
Black Lies Matter. Black Lies Matter. Black Lies Matter.
so what is the name of the girl?

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23-08-2015, 05:04 PM
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(23-08-2015 05:01 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  
(23-08-2015 04:42 PM)Alla Wrote:  when atheists Leninist/Stalinists get power they persecute.

Fixed!

so far almost every atheist on this forum loves Marxist mantra: contribute what you can take what you need

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23-08-2015, 05:07 PM
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23-08-2015, 05:10 PM
RE: Oppressive Secular Laws
(23-08-2015 05:04 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(23-08-2015 05:01 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Fixed!

so far almost every atheist on this forum loves Marxist mantra: contribute what you can take what you need

I think the phrase you're looking for is "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." While Marx expressed the idea, it comes from a much earlier origin:

"... neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. ... Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold ... and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need."

Do you know where that's from? Look it up.

(And no, that is not really representative of our attitudes as a group.)
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23-08-2015, 05:14 PM
RE: Oppressive Secular Laws
(23-08-2015 05:04 PM)Alla Wrote:  so far almost every atheist on this forum loves Marxist mantra: contribute what you can take what you need

What on earth are you talking about???

You think atheists are marxists?

BTW. Just out of curiosity, what was your country of origin?

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23-08-2015, 05:16 PM
RE: Oppressive Secular Laws
(23-08-2015 05:02 PM)Alla Wrote:  what was the name of that little black girl that was killed? does her life really matter?
Black Lies Matter. Black Lies Matter. Black Lies Matter.
so what is the name of the girl?

You seriously have to ask if her life matters? Really? I guess if she isn't LDS or have a secret invisible spirit talking to her, she's below your radar. Such an elitist.

And it's "Black LiVes Matter," honey.

Her name was Jamyla. Ask her family and friends if her life mattered.

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23-08-2015, 05:17 PM
RE: Oppressive Secular Laws
(23-08-2015 05:10 PM)Reltzik Wrote:  
(23-08-2015 05:04 PM)Alla Wrote:  so far almost every atheist on this forum loves Marxist mantra: contribute what you can take what you need

I think the phrase you're looking for is "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." While Marx expressed the idea, it comes from a much earlier origin:

"... neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. ... Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold ... and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need."

Do you know where that's from? Look it up.

(And no, that is not really representative of our attitudes as a group.)

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