Oregon Couple refuses to pay damages to gays couple or comply with Gag Order
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08-10-2015, 11:13 AM
RE: Oregon Couple refuses to pay damages to gays couple or comply with Gag Order
(08-10-2015 02:35 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  A proxy of the lesbians(one of their mothers) started posting on facebook that the bakery was discriminating against gays.

Your mother may very well be your proxy since you seem to be a juvenile, but my mother sure as shit ain't mine.

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08-10-2015, 11:34 AM
RE: Oregon Couple refuses to pay damages to gays couple or comply with Gag Order
(08-10-2015 12:19 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(07-10-2015 02:53 PM)cjlr Wrote:  What if many business owners refuse to serve you? What if most do? In the stronger case of a local or natural monopoly the opinions of a single person might dicate your access; is that fair? Is that acceptable?

This is not the case with gays. You don't need anti discrimination laws to ensure they are served by the market. You need them to prevent them from being butthurt.

(07-10-2015 02:53 PM)cjlr Wrote:  In other words - "there was once an instance in which discrimination against me did not meaningfully affect me" "there are no instances in which discrimination against an individual/group can meaningfully affect them".

When the gay couple could go right down the street and get a wedding cake, the only way the christian bakers discrimination affected them in a meaningful way was to make them upset because someone didn't accept their marriage as a legitimate marriage.

An interesting response. Your explicit argument therefore being that discrimination is only a problem beyond a certain point.
(ie contingent on - subjectively defined! - "meaningful" affect)

What is that point? How might it be codified in law? How might it be enforced?

How many brain-damaging hallucinogens did you need to ingest before thinking such an idiotic failurestorm of an idea was a good one?
(or perhaps more to the point, why do you think making up such stupid arguments is a good use of your time?)

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08-10-2015, 11:44 AM (This post was last modified: 08-10-2015 12:07 PM by Lord Dark Helmet.)
RE: Oregon Couple refuses to pay damages to gays couple or comply with Gag Order
(08-10-2015 11:34 AM)cjlr Wrote:  
(08-10-2015 12:19 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  This is not the case with gays. You don't need anti discrimination laws to ensure they are served by the market. You need them to prevent them from being butthurt.


When the gay couple could go right down the street and get a wedding cake, the only way the christian bakers discrimination affected them in a meaningful way was to make them upset because someone didn't accept their marriage as a legitimate marriage.

An interesting response. Your explicit argument therefore being that discrimination is only a problem beyond a certain point.
(ie contingent on - subjectively defined! - "meaningful" affect)

What is that point? How might it be codified in law? How might it be enforced?

How many brain-damaging hallucinogens did you need to ingest before thinking such an idiotic failurestorm of an idea was a good one?
(or perhaps more to the point, why do you think making up such stupid arguments is a good use of your time?)

See my post a few pages back. They've written a law that will be up for a vote in early 2017. This law will ban "discriminating" and punishments against people who use their deeply held religious beliefs to not provide services for gay weddings.

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08-10-2015, 11:48 AM
RE: Oregon Couple refuses to pay damages to gays couple or comply with Gag Order
(08-10-2015 12:12 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(07-10-2015 09:32 AM)cjlr Wrote:  When racial discrimination was legal and widespread there was no "evidence that blacks wouldn't be served by the market", but there was staggeringly omnipresent evidence that they were underserved by endemic inequality.

Endemic inequality only happened to the blacks because after slavery Jim Crow laws were implemented stripping them of their power, and "prevailing wage" laws were implemented to keep the blacks from undercutting white labor.

Such laws codified prevailing conditions. Notwithstanding, of course, the superficial but explicit mandate that parallel services be equal, nor the simultaneous endemic discrimination in the rest of the country, to say nothing of lingering elements of segregation up to the present day; notwithstanding that de facto treatment went far above and beyond just what was legally provided for, nor even then that "equal" participation from unequal starting positions is an oxymoronic farce.

I mean, yes, if we ignore all the facts, you might have a point. It's pathetically disingenuous to argue that they caused racism rather than vice versa, but from you I'd expect no less.

(08-10-2015 12:12 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  The world would be very different if blacks were allowed to participate in the market after slavery. But they were shut out of it because of laws and thus never had the opportunity to overcome discrimination.

I do at least appreciate, if nothing else, that you are willing to take a brave stand against overt discrimination, so long as it's merely historical. Baby steps, ol' chum. Baby steps.

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08-10-2015, 12:18 PM
RE: Oregon Couple refuses to pay damages to gays couple or comply with Gag Order
Woo hoo. Let's make it ILLEGAL to discriminate against people that want to discriminate.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-cong...-bill/2802

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08-10-2015, 12:36 PM
RE: Oregon Couple refuses to pay damages to gays couple or comply with Gag Order
(08-10-2015 12:18 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Woo hoo. Let's make it ILLEGAL to discriminate against people that want to discriminate.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-cong...-bill/2802

Yes, this is real.

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08-10-2015, 04:07 PM
RE: Oregon Couple refuses to pay damages to gays couple or comply with Gag Order
(08-10-2015 11:48 AM)cjlr Wrote:  Such laws codified prevailing conditions.

Negative. Blacks were forming construction gangs and traveling to where work was and underbidding white labor. If prevailing wage laws were not passed those construction gangs would have remained. Blacks would have been building bridges and roads, etc. They would have started more businesses and become a force in the market place. Instead they were shut out of the market by laws passed to shut them out of the market and push them into ghettos. Which, sadly, is exactly what happened.

What happened to blacks is not what happened to gays. Yes gays were discriminated against but gays could always still participate in the market place. What you want to do is force your moral opinions onto everyone else under the guise of anti-discrimination.

Let people be free.
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08-10-2015, 04:10 PM
RE: Oregon Couple refuses to pay damages to gays couple or comply with Gag Order
(08-10-2015 04:07 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(08-10-2015 11:48 AM)cjlr Wrote:  Such laws codified prevailing conditions.

Negative. Blacks were forming construction gangs and traveling to where work was and underbidding white labor. If prevailing wage laws were not passed those construction gangs would have remained. Blacks would have been building bridges and roads, etc. They would have started businesses and become a force in the market place. Instead they were shut out of the market by laws passed to shut them out of the market and push them into ghettos.

What happened to blacks is not what happened to gays. Yes gays were discriminated against but gays could always still participate in the market place. What you want to do is force your moral opinions onto everyone else under the guise of anti-discrimination.

Let people be free.

The idea that people should be free, or free to make their choice is also you pushing a moral opinion you know... you just aren't finding people here who disagree with that one. But it's just as much forcing a moral opinion. You need to work on your logical viewing of arguments.

One group is focused on the moral value of fairness and you're focused on the one of liberty.

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08-10-2015, 04:19 PM
RE: Oregon Couple refuses to pay damages to gays couple or comply with Gag Order
(08-10-2015 04:07 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  Instead they were shut out of the market by laws passed to shut them out of the market and push them into ghettos.

Except there were darkies who did quite well in the market during slavery. You're not big on fact checking your bullshit are you. Free People of Color

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09-10-2015, 05:42 AM
RE: Oregon Couple refuses to pay damages to gays couple or comply with Gag Order
(08-10-2015 12:36 PM)morondog Wrote:  Facepalm Christ sure needs a helluva lot of human help to keep the sanctity of traditional marriage™ intact Rolleyes

He warned about these signs of the end times. He said there'd be wars and rumors of war, increased natural disasters, and everyone would be forced to be gay-married. Signs and wonders.

Why are the Christians fighting against Jesus' prophesies so hard?
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