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30-10-2011, 07:42 PM
RE: Organ Donation
Compulsory organ donation? Really? In countries where we can't even agree to a fair system of taxation? I imagine the compulsion would apply only to people with not enough money to circumvent the law.... only they won't get paid for surrendering their own and their relatives' kidneys.

There is a lot more to this business of transplants than just forcing or tricking the plebes into donating their organs upon [accidental] death. Ramifications, implications, complications. I hope a little more thought goes into it before enacting as law.

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30-10-2011, 08:57 PM
RE: Organ Donation
(30-10-2011 07:42 PM)Peterkin Wrote:  I hope a little more thought goes into it before enacting as law.

It obviously would, and as I mentioned before, Sweden already has quite a good system from my understanding.
Besides that, how is a millionaire going to keep someone from harvesting their organs once they die? Unless they know their time to go is soon, knows and can pay off EVERY surgeon in the area and are that selfish than its not likely a rich person could prevent it any more than common folk.

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31-10-2011, 08:08 AM
RE: Organ Donation
(30-10-2011 08:57 PM)UnderTheMicroscope Wrote:  Besides that, how is a millionaire going to keep someone from harvesting their organs once they die? Unless they know their time to go is soon, knows and can pay off EVERY surgeon in the area and are that selfish than its not likely a rich person could prevent it any more than common folk.

By going to another country, to a private hospital, by having bodyguards to protect him, by making an exception through influence on politicians and hospital administration (You don't buy off surgeons individually; you promise a large bequest to whichever institution you happen to be in. The same way rich people tend to get to the front of organ recipient lines.)
Poor people mostly can't get organs anyway, because the surgery and hospital stay are too expensive and their private insurance will find ways to refuse coverage. Still works fairly well in countries with socialist health care policies, but that's subject to change with every election, and the trend is rightward. So the trend of donated organs will continue poor-to-richward, like everything else.

But that's only one concern in the longer view.

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31-10-2011, 09:22 AM
RE: Organ Donation
I'm not a donor for a couple reasons. Mainly because I don't trust doctors enough to say they wouldn't declare me dead prematurely. I've also heard far too many people working in healthcare (nurses, etc) refer to motorcycles as "donorcycles," which pisses me off (being a rider) because it's wrongly making light of death.

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31-10-2011, 01:40 PM
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Health-care workers aren't making light of death; they're building a protective barrier between their tender feelings and the stuff they have to deal with. I've seen a motorcyclist arrive at the morgue in two packages; the body bag and the helmet with a handsome youth's head inside. Most aren't as bad as that, but they can be pretty gross. Be careful, OK?

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31-10-2011, 09:55 PM
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Don't worry, I'm not the crazy breed of motorcyclist - only semi-mad. Tongue (minimum required amount of insanity to ride at all). I've been riding almost 3 years now and still kickin' Smile

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01-11-2011, 12:21 AM
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(31-10-2011 09:22 AM)Azaraith Wrote:  I'm not a donor for a couple reasons. Mainly because I don't trust doctors enough to say they wouldn't declare me dead prematurely. I've also heard far too many people working in healthcare (nurses, etc) refer to motorcycles as "donorcycles," which pisses me off (being a rider) because it's wrongly making light of death.

Thank you for making the point I was trying to make previously in this thread but didn't have the right words for.
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01-11-2011, 09:46 AM
RE: Organ Donation
(31-10-2011 09:22 AM)Azaraith Wrote:  I'm not a donor for a couple reasons. Mainly because I don't trust doctors enough to say they wouldn't declare me dead prematurely. I've also heard far too many people working in healthcare (nurses, etc) refer to motorcycles as "donorcycles," which pisses me off (being a rider) because it's wrongly making light of death.

You're kidding on the doctors declaring you dead to harvest your organs, right? That is ..... well, that is impossible to respond to rationally.

As for the "donorcycle" thing, they are not making light of death. They are commenting on the probability of you surviving a crash and the number of riders who show up dead-on-arrival. It's the same reason cigarettes are called "cancer sticks". It's not because people make light of death, it's because they cause cancer.

On the topic, my wife and I are both donors and it's on our licenses so there is no debate. I like the idea of it being an opt out. If you want to opt out then fine but otherwise it should be the norm. I do think, however, if you opt out, then you should not only opt out of donating your organs but receiving any as well.

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01-11-2011, 05:06 PM
RE: Organ Donation
(01-11-2011 09:46 AM)BnW Wrote:  
(31-10-2011 09:22 AM)Azaraith Wrote:  I'm not a donor for a couple reasons. Mainly because I don't trust doctors enough to say they wouldn't declare me dead prematurely. I've also heard far too many people working in healthcare (nurses, etc) refer to motorcycles as "donorcycles," which pisses me off (being a rider) because it's wrongly making light of death.

You're kidding on the doctors declaring you dead to harvest your organs, right? That is ..... well, that is impossible to respond to rationally.

As for the "donorcycle" thing, they are not making light of death. They are commenting on the probability of you surviving a crash and the number of riders who show up dead-on-arrival. It's the same reason cigarettes are called "cancer sticks". It's not because people make light of death, it's because they cause cancer.

On the topic, my wife and I are both donors and it's on our licenses so there is no debate. I like the idea of it being an opt out. If you want to opt out then fine but otherwise it should be the norm. I do think, however, if you opt out, then you should not only opt out of donating your organs but receiving any as well.

I haven't given it much thought... I'd donate an organ for family or very close friend, but I'm not so concerned with the general public (particularly many of the people in my city). In that view, it doesn't really concern me enough to sign up to be a donor and the minute chance of it hurting me doesn't help make me want to bother. There isn't a box to check on my license or anything, I'd have to figure out who to contact, etc or sign it when I renew DL (a few years, I don't remember seeing it last time).

The "cancer stick" saying is also offensive - it doesn't excuse it because it's true, it's still an attempt at comedy or "cuteness"/cleverness at the expense of the fact that it means someone is dead/dying/sick. Donorcycle is offensive to me because it's a cleverism based on the erroneous idea that anyone that rides a motorcycle will die (and therefore be a donor). I've met many riders in their 50s (who have been riding since their teens). Again, doesn't help create a desire to sign on as a donor... I enjoy riding (and driving too), but I can't expect you'd understand - most are the Camry driving A to B, can't-I-get-it-over-with-already type of driver. I'm the opposite...

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