Other forms of literacy than scientific literacy?
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17-07-2013, 12:20 AM
RE: Other forms of literacy than scientific literacy?
(16-07-2013 02:19 PM)cjlr Wrote:  Political literacy is definitely be a plus; we've had several trainwreck public discourses in this country because a large majority of people don't actually know how our political system works.

Politics are easy:

Socialism:
you have two cows, you give one to your neighbour.

Communism:
you have two cows, the government takes them both and gives you the milk.

Fascism:
you have two cows, the government takes both and sells you the milk.

Nazism:
You have two cows, the government takes both and shoots you.

Capitalism:
you have two cows, you sell one and buy a bull.

American capitalism:
You have two cows. You sell one, lease it back to yourself and do an IPO on the 2nd one. You force the two cows to produce the milk of four cows. You are surprised when one cow drops dead. You spin an announcement to the analysts stating you have downsized and are reducing expenses. Your stock goes up.

The Chinese way:
You have two cows. You have 300 people milking them. You claim full employment, high bovine productivity, and arrest the newsman who reported the numbers.

Trade unionism:
you have two cows, they take them from you, shoot one, milk the other and throw the milk away.






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17-07-2013, 08:51 AM
RE: Other forms of literacy than scientific literacy?
I recommend Socrates and Plato (same thing really) as well as Descartes.
I also recommend reading myths and legends from all over the world. The myths of the universe generation can be different from a culture to the other, same goes with the creation of humans but there's also striking similarities. If a culture precedes another historically, chances are their myths copy from the older culture.

This is especially annoying to creationists because when they tell you there's only two ways things may have happened, if you know myths from the northern culture or from Africa, you can oppose them other ways they "can't prove didn't happen" that they didn't think about instead of their Genesis vs. Darwin thing.
In the Nordic myth of creation, the universe occurs when non-sentient heat meets non-sentient cold. Wotan/Odin (and the rest of the crew) only happens after the universe exists.
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18-07-2013, 12:16 AM
RE: Other forms of literacy than scientific literacy?
(17-07-2013 12:20 AM)Thammuz Wrote:  
(16-07-2013 02:19 PM)cjlr Wrote:  Political literacy is definitely be a plus; we've had several trainwreck public discourses in this country because a large majority of people don't actually know how our political system works.

Politics are easy:

Socialism:
you have two cows, you give one to your neighbour.

Communism:
you have two cows, the government takes them both and gives you the milk.

Fascism:
you have two cows, the government takes both and sells you the milk.

Nazism:
You have two cows, the government takes both and shoots you.

Capitalism:
you have two cows, you sell one and buy a bull.

American capitalism:
You have two cows. You sell one, lease it back to yourself and do an IPO on the 2nd one. You force the two cows to produce the milk of four cows. You are surprised when one cow drops dead. You spin an announcement to the analysts stating you have downsized and are reducing expenses. Your stock goes up.

The Chinese way:
You have two cows. You have 300 people milking them. You claim full employment, high bovine productivity, and arrest the newsman who reported the numbers.

Trade unionism:
you have two cows, they take them from you, shoot one, milk the other and throw the milk away.






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18-07-2013, 01:11 AM
RE: Other forms of literacy than scientific literacy?
Scientific (physics, chemistry, biology, ecology), economic, political, sociological, historical, artistic (music and literature) and LEGAL literacy are the fundamental in my opinion. Of course some I didn't mention because I think that are not indispensable.

maybe legal literacy needs clarification; everywhere in the world the law is presumed known to people, so you can't say "I didn't know it was illegal to kill someone" as a defence. BUT almost nobody actually knows how laws are made, what are the most basic concepts and the logic behind a rule or how to apply one, how different laws have different principles and so on... So I think it's fundamental for people to get more in touch with their legal systems so they can have some grasp at what politicians actually pass as laws.

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18-07-2013, 06:52 AM
RE: Other forms of literacy than scientific literacy?
One should simply be as broadly educated and widely read as possible. Drinking Beverage

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18-07-2013, 10:02 PM
Other forms of literacy than scientific literacy?
Economic literacy is very important, and I wish more Americans had a proper economic literacy.

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20-07-2013, 12:48 PM
RE: Other forms of literacy than scientific literacy?
(18-07-2013 06:52 AM)Chas Wrote:  One should simply be as broadly educated and widely read as possible. Drinking Beverage

Obviously I can't disagree with that.

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20-07-2013, 12:49 PM
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(18-07-2013 10:02 PM)Crimson Flyboy Wrote:  Economic literacy is very important, and I wish more Americans had a proper economic literacy.

I very much agree. I've pretty much stopped discussing economics and atheist/skeptic boards because with one exception economic illiteracy is so deeply rooted that arguing against it is mostly useless and will just make you disliked in the end.

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