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29-04-2015, 01:58 AM
Outdated religious laws must be changed
This looks optimistic, Muslim scholars at the forum for Promoting Peace in Muslim Societies call for a review of archaic Islamic laws. How much influence they will have I don't know.

Quote:“Another example is the apostasy law, which used to be a universal principle and the general mentality of people at that time that leaving one’s religion is a capital offence punished by death, which existed in Christianity also.

That was to protect the religion … but it is no longer the mentality for the age we live in, so when you look at the universal principle of Islam it is to attract people towards religion.” However, he said, in the current age applying apostasy law will cause more people to leave religion than to join it so it has an opposite effect.

As for other Sharia penalties, specialised scholars need to sit and think about them: “It all needs to be reassessed,” he added.

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29-04-2015, 03:44 AM (This post was last modified: 29-04-2015 04:47 AM by TubbyTubby.)
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How nice of them. Notice that the driver behind the review of apostasy is because it will cause people to leave the religion instead of sign up. Nothing to do with the crock of shit book being barbaric and that killing someone because of their (lack of) belief is, you know, not a very nice thing to do.

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29-04-2015, 05:21 AM
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What would you bet that some fundamentalists will kill this voice of moderation? Consider

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29-04-2015, 05:28 AM
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"Outdated" religious laws????

Like there's any other kind????

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29-04-2015, 06:06 AM
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(29-04-2015 05:21 AM)Chas Wrote:  What would you bet that some fundamentalists will kill this voice of moderation? Consider

I know several Christians that wear refusing to work with these moderates as a badge of honor.
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29-04-2015, 08:18 AM
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(29-04-2015 03:44 AM)TubbyTubby Wrote:  How nice of them. Notice that the driver behind the review of apostasy is because it will cause people to leave the religion instead of sign up. Nothing to do with the crock of shit book being barbaric and that killing someone because of their (lack of) belief is, you know, not a very nice thing to do.

Yeah, I guess he's finding a positive angle from which to approach the subject for muslims rather than admitting it's plain old fucked up.

I don't quite follow his logic there from a recruiting point of view but if the end result is making it safe for people to leave islam, so much the better.

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29-04-2015, 08:42 AM
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I'd work with them--I'd delight in any opportunity to get Muslims to move away from the violence I've found in the Qu'ran.

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29-04-2015, 09:52 AM
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(29-04-2015 08:42 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  I'd work with them--I'd delight in any opportunity to get Muslims to move away from the violence I've found in the Qu'ran.

Unlike the violence in your own bible --

"But that's different!!"


Right???


Sho nuff.....

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29-04-2015, 12:12 PM
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(29-04-2015 06:06 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  I know several Christians that wear refusing to work with these moderates as a badge of honor.
Not only that, but they will declare ecumenism (interdenominational cooperation) or "the social gospel" (meeting social needs or doing social good for its own sake, without strings attached) as great evils.

The churches I grew up in did not generally participate in local ecumenical councils, which would do things like have each pastor take turns providing invocations at public events. Now and then a fundamentalist pastor will participate, on the theory that he gets to slip references to Jesus and salvation into his public prayers or remarks, and thus it's a form of "witnessing". But even those guys would act like the other pastors might give them cooties, and they would refuse to speak at certain kinds of events, and were just generally not worth the trouble.

In a similar vein, very recently I read the story of an idealistic kid who went to Africa on a missions trip under a fundamentalist mission organization to provide medical services to locals, but was slapped down when he saw opportunities to actually help people but it involved interacting with missionaries from rival organizations / denominations, largely because proselytization was not a priority for the competing organizations. He had contributed $$ to cover his stay there but they ended up pretty much putting him under house arrest and didn't let him do much of anything. He finally wanted to go home and they wouldn't give him his ticket; it took outside intervention to extract him.

His conclusion is that the $$ were more important than actually getting anything done, with proselytization being a close second. Since they had his money and he wasn't willing to proselytize, they were content for him to do nothing. He didn't even have private use of a computer and had to surreptitiously text back home to mommy to get him the heck out of there.

This pushed him toward more liberal precincts of Christianity and I wouldn't be surprised if ultimately he leaves the faith. Pretty disillusioning stuff.
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29-04-2015, 12:18 PM
RE: Outdated religious laws must be changed
Over/Under on how many days it would take for someone to get a life sentence if they followed all the rules of da Bible?
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