Outlandish claims backed by reason: the argument game
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01-12-2011, 12:37 AM
Outlandish claims backed by reason: the argument game
Outlandish probably isn't the right word, but I wanted to use it in a thread title. Here's the deal. Make a claim that is probably incorrect or at least bold in its unusual statement, then back it up with logical arguments that makes it look less crazy for a second. It's a mix of "you can win an argument without being right" mentality and the "correlation is not causation" examples.

An example could be:

Ice cream consumption causes shark attacks.

-Proof-

Shark attack rates and ice cream consumption both increase during the summer, coincidence?



One that isn't a silly correlation example is one that happened today. I saw someone's cell phone bill and saw that there was a tax applied to it. So I stated, semi-humorously that:

Cell phone bill taxes are a violation of the 1st Amendment.

And just because I like to argue nonsense, I stated that by taxing my ability to converse ideas and opinions with fellow human beings, the phone company is essentially enforcing a censorship fee. And by charging for a non-physical property; the right to speak, they are putting a limit on how much I can say and who I can talk to (extra charges for people using different phone companies).



Of course, this is full of holes and also since it's late and I've been drinking, probably doesn't make much sense anyways. But you don't know if you'll catch any fish until you throw your bait in the water. So there's my bait. Let me hit the Cast/Post button.

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01-12-2011, 01:04 AM
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Let me see if I get this right...

Fish and Chips are both fried...
Therefore, Fish are Chips!

As far as the phone bill is concerned, I have enough trouble trying to decipher it let alone take time to figure out it's constitutional relevance. I think I will send my next phone bill to my congressman. Wink

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01-12-2011, 06:43 AM
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Our form of life develops asshole first. Therefore, god almighty is an asshole. Does that count?

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01-12-2011, 08:45 AM
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I was talking on the phone with my mom yesterday. She said she had to go vaccuum the carpet.

After I hung up, my dog barfed on the floor.

Therefore, my moms vaccuum cleaner makes my dog vomit.

So many cats, so few good recipes.
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01-12-2011, 12:41 PM (This post was last modified: 01-12-2011 11:25 PM by Lilith Pride.)
RE: Outlandish claims backed by reason: the argument game
Michelle Bachman celebrates Elvis's death as his birthday.
Michelle Bachman invited Micheal Jackson to DC.
Elvis is dead.
Micheal Jackson is dead.

Therefore, Michelle Bachman is a necromancer.

I'm not a non believer, I believe in the possibility of anything. I just don't let the actuality of something be determined by a 3rd party.
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01-12-2011, 01:13 PM
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(01-12-2011 12:41 PM)Lilith Pride Wrote:  Michelle Bachman celebrates Elvis's death as his birthday.
Michelle Bachman invited Micheal Jackson to DC.
Elvis is dead.
Micheal Jackson is dead.

Therefore, Michelle Bachman is necromancer.

Damn, I was sure there was no such thing as a necromancer, but now I see the light. How blind I have been.

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01-12-2011, 04:03 PM
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(01-12-2011 12:41 PM)Lilith Pride Wrote:  Michelle Bachman celebrates Elvis's death as his birthday.
Michelle Bachman invited Micheal Jackson to DC.
Elvis is dead.
Micheal Jackson is dead.

Therefore, Michelle Bachman is necromancer.

Beautiful, well done! Big Grin
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01-12-2011, 04:18 PM
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Hydrogen is flammable.
Oxygen is flammable.
Burning them creates water.
Therefore fire is water.

...this is actually true <_<

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01-12-2011, 04:52 PM
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(01-12-2011 08:45 AM)Stark Raving Wrote:  I was talking on the phone with my mom yesterday. She said she had to go vaccuum the carpet.

After I hung up, my dog barfed on the floor.

Therefore, my moms vaccuum cleaner makes my dog vomit.

WEird corellations do not constitute inductive or deductive reasoning.

The argument p1 the moon is made of green cheese. p2 cheese is a good source of protein----/conclusion therefore the astronauts will not lack protein is VALID but not true...... because of the sentential structure.

Even in inductive reasoning, following observation, testing of hypotheses etc PLUS sound deduction __ real truth can be no more than highly probable.

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02-12-2011, 09:22 AM
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Here's a few Smile

Every time the street lamp is switched on, dogs gather and make noise.
Dogs can hear frequencies outside of the human hearing range

Conclusion: Street lamps are a government conspiracy, broadcasting messages at a frequency so high it attracts dogs.

Every time I close my window, there is no rain.
The days I forget to close my window, downpour.

Conclusion: My window is linked to a weather control station bent on ruining my life.

There are no physical evidence for God
There are some things in the world that aren't physical, such as emotions.

Conclusion: God cannot be proven using physical evidence, non-physical evidence is required for he is out of the physical plane.

The internet is boring during normal days
There is always an influx of interesting articles on the Internet during the eves of important deadlines/exams.

Conclusion: The Internet can read minds.

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