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18-10-2015, 01:32 AM
RE: Outside of Space and Time
Guys come on...
How can you believe that there is not God in the universe?
Who do you think created time and space and even you?
Who gave you the ability to love and be loved?
Who do you think created it all?
The only simple answer that makes sense in God.
You may not believe in him but he believes in you
Have a nice day (-;
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18-10-2015, 01:37 AM
RE: Outside of Space and Time
(13-04-2015 06:18 AM)DLJ Wrote:  
(04-04-2015 08:44 PM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  ...
Well, the God that I worship doesn't need a trial and error process to create anything. He got it right the first time.
...

Oh yeah? Then please explain the existence of my ex-wife.

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(04-04-2015 08:44 PM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  ...
I don't know, but then again, I don't know what a "mind" is made of either.

Didn't we establish that it was cartilage?

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Your ex wife if perfect in God's eyes. He loves her as much as he loves anyone else. You maybe hate her but God doesn't
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18-10-2015, 01:47 AM
RE: Outside of Space and Time
(24-04-2015 11:36 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  
(13-04-2015 06:18 AM)DLJ Wrote:  Oh yeah? Then please explain the existence of my ex-wife.

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"I chose to marry my wife...and it is God's fault". Thumbsup

(13-04-2015 06:18 AM)DLJ Wrote:  Didn't we establish that it was cartilage?

Blink

We established what it isn't, we didn't establish what it is, and where it came from.
Dude God gave you a free will. Its your fault if you married the wrong woman.
Everyone has a free will and it's all about the choices you make and I can assure you that God loves you and your ex wife equally much.
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18-10-2015, 01:53 AM (This post was last modified: 18-10-2015 01:59 AM by DLJ.)
RE: Outside of Space and Time
(18-10-2015 01:32 AM)Me12345 Wrote:  Guys come on...
How can you believe that there is not God in the universe?
Who do you think created time and space and even you?
Who gave you the ability to love and be loved?
Who do you think created it all?
The only simple answer that makes sense in God.
You may not believe in him but he believes in you
Have a nice day (-;

Welcome to TTA.

Have a look around the forum to find out the answers to your questions.

And I am having a nice day. I hope you have one too.

Thanks.

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18-10-2015, 01:56 AM
RE: Outside of Space and Time
(18-10-2015 01:37 AM)Me12345 Wrote:  ...
Your ex wife if perfect in God's eyes.
...

She was also perfect in her various lovers' eyes.

(18-10-2015 01:37 AM)Me12345 Wrote:  ...
He loves her as much as he loves anyone else.
...

On that, we agree.

(18-10-2015 01:37 AM)Me12345 Wrote:  ...
You maybe hate her ...

Nope. I don't hate anyone. I'm not a christian.

Do you often make judgements about people you've never met?

Huh

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18-10-2015, 01:59 AM
RE: Outside of Space and Time
(18-10-2015 01:47 AM)Me12345 Wrote:  ...
Dude God gave you a free will. Its your fault if you married the wrong woman.
Everyone has a free will and it's all about the choices you make and I can assure you that God loves you and your ex wife equally much.
:-)

Well, I married her so that her child could have a father. Am I at fault for that?

On what authority are you assuring me of this? This god of yours told you?

Shocking

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18-10-2015, 07:31 AM
RE: Outside of Space and Time
(18-10-2015 01:32 AM)Me12345 Wrote:  Guys come on...
How can you believe that there is not God in the universe?

It isn't so much believing there isn't as not believing there is. Without good evidence there's no reason to accept the claims.

Quote:Who do you think created time and space and even you?

So you think god is "in the universe" but that he also "created time and space". That's incoherent. If he's in the universe then how could he have decided to create time when no time existed in which to make the decision? If he's "outside" our time and space then is he in some other time/space existence? If so, who created that? If god could have existed eternally then the energy that makes up the universe could have existed eternally and that's a lot simpler presupposition.

The real answer is that we do not know how the universe we see came to be in the form it is. Plugging in "god" is not an answer, just a way to stop asking questions.

As for me, my parents created me.

Quote:Who gave you the ability to love and be loved?

Why do you assume it had to be a "who"? You are assuming your preferred answer in the question.

Quote:Who do you think created it all?

Your honor, the prosecutor is leading the witness. The question is "how did it all come to be as we see it", not "who created it". The former leaves the answer open to investigation. The latter presumes an answer and ends inquiry.

Quote:The only simple answer that makes sense in God.

It isn't a simple answer, it is a simplistic answer. If you accept "god" then you have to explain who created god. If a god is needed to explain a complex universe then surely a bigger god is needed to explain a complex god. It makes no sense but it does allow you to fool yourself into thinking you have the answer and stop thinking about it.

Quote:You may not believe in him but he believes in you

There's no evidence of that.




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18-10-2015, 09:04 AM (This post was last modified: 18-10-2015 10:18 AM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Outside of Space and Time
(18-10-2015 01:32 AM)Me12345 Wrote:  The only simple answer that makes sense in God.
You may not believe in him but he believes in you

Too bad for you, that's the extent of your (very) limited creativity.
So ... you're saying your god has a dick (you say it's a "him") AND "he'' need faith to believe in me ?

Facepalm

Hint : You're dumber than dogshit. "Doing" something, (creating) takes *time*.

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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18-10-2015, 09:21 AM
RE: Outside of Space and Time
(18-10-2015 01:32 AM)Me12345 Wrote:  Guys come on...
How can you believe that there is not God in the universe?
Who do you think created time and space and even you?
Who gave you the ability to love and be loved?
Who do you think created it all?
The only simple answer that makes sense in God.
You may not believe in him but he believes in you
Have a nice day (-;

If you claim that your god created time and space then you are saying that it did it at no time and at no place. Is this something you really want to assert about your god.

Me12345, I don't believe there is no God, I know it. I know this by an objective process of reason. You should give it a try sometime.

Asking who created it all commits the fallacy of the stolen concept. If you don't understand this I'll be happy to explain this. Instead of starting with nothing, as you do, try starting with existence, and then you will not commit the fallacy that you do. It is not good to start reasoning from a fallacious starting point. It renders all of your further conclusions false.

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18-10-2015, 11:57 AM
RE: Outside of Space and Time
(18-10-2015 01:32 AM)Me12345 Wrote:  Guys come on...
How can you believe that there is not God in the universe?
Of course there's a God, he's called Bob.
(18-10-2015 01:32 AM)Me12345 Wrote:  Who do you think created time and space and even you?
Bob
(18-10-2015 01:32 AM)Me12345 Wrote:  Who gave you the ability to love and be loved?
Bob

(18-10-2015 01:32 AM)Me12345 Wrote:  Who do you think created it all?
Bob

(18-10-2015 01:32 AM)Me12345 Wrote:  The only simple answer that makes sense in God.
God is Bob. Bob is God.

(18-10-2015 01:32 AM)Me12345 Wrote:  You may not believe in him but he believes in you

Dude, Bob has enough trouble believing in my own existence. God ain't got the time to believe in yours. You're on your own.

[Image: bob.png]

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