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18-11-2015, 09:10 PM
RE: Over half of U.S. states rejecting refugees
(18-11-2015 09:05 PM)yakherder Wrote:  
(18-11-2015 08:57 PM)Alla Wrote:  I also don't believe Obama that they can do back ground check. I just don't believe him. I don't trust him.

Not without human intelligence capabilities on the ground, no. Without that, everything from our background investigations to our air strikes is pretty much a shot in the dark. It's all gonna be about interviews and sponsorships. If the Syrian government were to cooperate we could theoretically at least do a criminal background check, but I don't imagine Assad gives a fuck about America's refugee concerns in the midst of a civil war being waged. Especially considering that the ones leaving are probably least likely to be loyal to the Syrian government.
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18-11-2015, 11:32 PM
RE: Over half of U.S. states rejecting refugees
This must be a huge blow to the GOP. False Syrian passports? France is still accepting Syrian refugees to the tune of over 30,000? How will the xenophobes keep their heads from exploding?




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19-11-2015, 03:09 AM
RE: Over half of U.S. states rejecting refugees
(17-11-2015 04:22 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  ...
Americans will die. Maybe even someone you know. I'm not willing to take that risk. America first.

And who are these Americans again?

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19-11-2015, 06:23 AM (This post was last modified: 19-11-2015 06:33 AM by Lord Dark Helmet.)
RE: Over half of U.S. states rejecting refugees
(18-11-2015 11:32 PM)Erxomai Wrote:  This must be a huge blow to the GOP. False Syrian passports? France is still accepting Syrian refugees to the tune of over 30,000? How will the xenophobes keep their heads from exploding?




Not a huge blow to the GOP at all. It doesn't matter if the terrorists were Syrian or not. We've been saying that the risk is that the terrorists would sneak in WITH the Syrian refugees, not that they'd actually be Syrian. So fake Syrian passports are to be expected by terrorists posing as Syrian refugees.

The GOP is in no way negatively affected by terrorist attacks. In fact, the more people fear terrorism in western countries the higher the probability that right wing candidates get elected. Polls show that voters trust the GOP to handle terrorism more than their Democrat counterparts.

There's already talk in Europe, especially France for the 2017 elections, that muslim population growth and terrorism fears could bring massive changes to the government. Continuing to accept more refugees might sway the voters to the other side. Polls conducted after the Paris attack in Canada, Great Britain and the U.S. show the majority are against taking more refugees. I haven't looked into other European countries polls but I'd imagine people everywhere have the same concerns.

And finally, the xenophobe shit is old and played out. It's like people being called racist just because they happen to dislike Obama's policies. And now the same people that were "racist" now support Ben Carson or Marco Rubio. Maybe it was Obama's policies they hated after all since you know, they can and do support a black or Hispanic candidate. Fear of terrorism is not xenophobia. The constant cries of rasicm, xenophobia and sexism from the left is pathetic. The new one is "you're only against Hillary because she's a woman." Yeah right.

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19-11-2015, 06:34 AM
RE: Over half of U.S. states rejecting refugees
(19-11-2015 06:23 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  ...
Fear of terrorism is not xenophobia.

Indeed. Fear of terrorism is ... defeat.

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19-11-2015, 06:42 AM
RE: Over half of U.S. states rejecting refugees
(18-11-2015 04:50 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(18-11-2015 11:14 AM)Chas Wrote:  I think you will find that the majority are committed with illegally obtained firearms.

Citation? I don't think that's right. It probably is the case that most murders are committed with illegal guns. But I'm pretty sure that most of the mass shootings were committed with legal guns.

I do quite like the irony that has just struck me.

"Most murders are committed with illegally obtained weapons."

"That's terrible! We need looser gun laws."

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19-11-2015, 07:06 AM
RE: Over half of U.S. states rejecting refugees
(17-11-2015 11:53 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  I want to give you a whole bag of apples, but one of those apples is full of poison....wont tell you which one it is. Still want the apples?

How is this functionally different from banning all gun sales on the off chance that some will be used to kill people?
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19-11-2015, 07:07 AM
RE: Over half of U.S. states rejecting refugees
(18-11-2015 05:14 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(18-11-2015 05:03 PM)Chas Wrote:  I have previously investigated this and believe I am correct. I have never investigated murders in general; my guess is that it may be about even. Just a guess.

Note: "Illegal gun" is not accurate. Do you mean the illegal possession of a gun when you say that?

I don't know enough about gun laws to answer that.

I'm pretty sure the crazy orange-haired theater shooter acquired all of his guns legally.

Yes, he bought them legally.

Quote:Recall something about the kid who shot up a bunch of black folk praying receiving it as a gift from his old man. Don't know whether it's true or not and even if it is don't know whether that constitutes illegal possession or not.

It might.

Quote:The crazy ass fuck in Newtown used his mother's guns. Again, I don't know whether that constitutes illegal possession or not.

He stole the guns from his mother - that is illegal possession.

Quote:If I go hunting with my boys and give them one of my Mossbergs to use does that constitute illegal possession?

No, it does not.

Stolen guns is one category, another is that certain categories of people, including felons, certain domestic abusers, and people adjudicated mentally ill are prohibited by federal law from possessing guns.

It is not terribly difficult for a 'prohibited person' to get a firearm. It might be from friends, family, shady dealers, criminals, etc.
Also, a legal possessor of firearms can become a 'prohibited person' after having legally possessed for some time by committing a felony, being in a domestic dispute (or even just being accused of it), or being judged mentally ill.

In any case, the gun is not illegal - the possession is.

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19-11-2015, 07:16 AM
RE: Over half of U.S. states rejecting refugees
(18-11-2015 08:53 PM)Alla Wrote:  I don't mind if old people, women with children come here. All able men should go back to Syria and fight for their country. When Nazi occupied the USSR, old people, women and children were evacuated to safe places. All men were defending their country.

You are prone to false generalizations. Facepalm

Many men deserted from the Red Army, and many Soviet women served in the front lines.

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Also, Google "Night Witches". Yes

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19-11-2015, 07:19 AM
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(18-11-2015 11:32 PM)Erxomai Wrote:  This must be a huge blow to the GOP. False Syrian passports? France is still accepting Syrian refugees to the tune of over 30,000?

Yabut, the French are just cheese-eating surrender monkeys. Yes

We should probably just burn their embassy. Consider

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