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19-11-2015, 07:21 AM
RE: Over half of U.S. states rejecting refugees
(19-11-2015 06:42 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(18-11-2015 04:50 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Citation? I don't think that's right. It probably is the case that most murders are committed with illegal guns. But I'm pretty sure that most of the mass shootings were committed with legal guns.

I do quite like the irony that has just struck me.

"Most murders are committed with illegally obtained weapons."

"That's terrible! We need looser gun laws."

Who said that? Consider

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19-11-2015, 07:53 AM
RE: Over half of U.S. states rejecting refugees
(19-11-2015 07:21 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(19-11-2015 06:42 AM)morondog Wrote:  I do quite like the irony that has just struck me.

"Most murders are committed with illegally obtained weapons."

"That's terrible! We need looser gun laws."

Who said that? Consider

No one, it's just... kinda a mix and match. Ol' Dark Helmet has been going on about how people need looser gun laws and you said something about murders and illegally obtained weapons. I thought it natural to juxtapose the two Smile

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19-11-2015, 08:54 AM
RE: Over half of U.S. states rejecting refugees
(19-11-2015 07:07 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(18-11-2015 05:14 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  I don't know enough about gun laws to answer that.

I'm pretty sure the crazy orange-haired theater shooter acquired all of his guns legally.

Yes, he bought them legally.

Quote:Recall something about the kid who shot up a bunch of black folk praying receiving it as a gift from his old man. Don't know whether it's true or not and even if it is don't know whether that constitutes illegal possession or not.

It might.

Quote:The crazy ass fuck in Newtown used his mother's guns. Again, I don't know whether that constitutes illegal possession or not.

He stole the guns from his mother - that is illegal possession.

Quote:If I go hunting with my boys and give them one of my Mossbergs to use does that constitute illegal possession?

No, it does not.

Stolen guns is one category, another is that certain categories of people, including felons, certain domestic abusers, and people adjudicated mentally ill are prohibited by federal law from possessing guns.

It is not terribly difficult for a 'prohibited person' to get a firearm. It might be from friends, family, shady dealers, criminals, etc.
Also, a legal possessor of firearms can become a 'prohibited person' after having legally possessed for some time by committing a felony, being in a domestic dispute (or even just being accused of it), or being judged mentally ill.

In any case, the gun is not illegal - the possession is.

I think you're last statement is technically incorrect. There are guns that are illegal to sell, not just possess. Drinking Beverage

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19-11-2015, 08:56 AM
RE: Over half of U.S. states rejecting refugees
(19-11-2015 07:53 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(19-11-2015 07:21 AM)Chas Wrote:  Who said that? Consider

No one, it's just... kinda a mix and match. Ol' Dark Helmet has been going on about how people need looser gun laws and you said something about murders and illegally obtained weapons. I thought it natural to juxtapose the two Smile

I don't think DH said anything about needing looser laws. Consider

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19-11-2015, 08:57 AM
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(19-11-2015 08:54 AM)Erxomai Wrote:  
(19-11-2015 07:07 AM)Chas Wrote:  Yes, he bought them legally.


It might.


He stole the guns from his mother - that is illegal possession.


No, it does not.

Stolen guns is one category, another is that certain categories of people, including felons, certain domestic abusers, and people adjudicated mentally ill are prohibited by federal law from possessing guns.

It is not terribly difficult for a 'prohibited person' to get a firearm. It might be from friends, family, shady dealers, criminals, etc.
Also, a legal possessor of firearms can become a 'prohibited person' after having legally possessed for some time by committing a felony, being in a domestic dispute (or even just being accused of it), or being judged mentally ill.

In any case, the gun is not illegal - the possession is.

I think you're last statement is technically incorrect. There are guns that are illegal to sell, not just possess. Drinking Beverage

Such as? Consider

There are guns that it is illegal for some people in some jurisdictions to sell.

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19-11-2015, 09:07 AM
RE: Over half of U.S. states rejecting refugees
(19-11-2015 08:56 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(19-11-2015 07:53 AM)morondog Wrote:  No one, it's just... kinda a mix and match. Ol' Dark Helmet has been going on about how people need looser gun laws and you said something about murders and illegally obtained weapons. I thought it natural to juxtapose the two Smile

I don't think DH said anything about needing looser laws. Consider

Not looser laws. Maybe easier access to concealed carry permits. A federal issued carry card through the ATF would be a start. And armed guards at schools and malls.

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19-11-2015, 12:13 PM
RE: Over half of U.S. states rejecting refugees
(19-11-2015 07:16 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(18-11-2015 08:53 PM)Alla Wrote:  I don't mind if old people, women with children come here. All able men should go back to Syria and fight for their country. When Nazi occupied the USSR, old people, women and children were evacuated to safe places. All men were defending their country.

You are prone to false generalizations. Facepalm

Many men deserted from the Red Army, and many Soviet women served in the front lines.

"Historians have always said there are two things the German's didn't expect going into the Soviet Union: the weather and the women. A hero of the Soviet Union (and a Ukrainian) Lyudmila Pavlichenko had 309 recorded (witnessed) kills against German soldiers during her service as a Sniper - 39 of those kills were enemy snipers. She fought in Crimea, Odessa and many other places. She was only one of 2,000 women trained and fighting as snipers against the Germans. The Russians had 800,000 women in uniform, from nurses and admin staff all the way to snipers and specialists on the front lines."

Also, Google "Night Witches". Yes
Of course there were men who deserted. They hated Communists like Sanders. So, all these young strong men from Syria should do the right thing. They have to go back and fight.

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19-11-2015, 12:17 PM
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(19-11-2015 12:13 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(19-11-2015 07:16 AM)Chas Wrote:  You are prone to false generalizations. Facepalm

Many men deserted from the Red Army, and many Soviet women served in the front lines.

"Historians have always said there are two things the German's didn't expect going into the Soviet Union: the weather and the women. A hero of the Soviet Union (and a Ukrainian) Lyudmila Pavlichenko had 309 recorded (witnessed) kills against German soldiers during her service as a Sniper - 39 of those kills were enemy snipers. She fought in Crimea, Odessa and many other places. She was only one of 2,000 women trained and fighting as snipers against the Germans. The Russians had 800,000 women in uniform, from nurses and admin staff all the way to snipers and specialists on the front lines."

Also, Google "Night Witches". Yes
Of course there were men who deserted. They hated Communists like Sanders. So, all these young strong men from Syria should do the right thing. They have to go back and fight.

Sanders is not a communist, dork.

And who should these young, strong men from Syria fight? Which uniform should they put on?

Where should they live? Who is going to feed and arm them?

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19-11-2015, 12:21 PM
RE: Over half of U.S. states rejecting refugees
(19-11-2015 08:57 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(19-11-2015 08:54 AM)Erxomai Wrote:  I think you're last statement is technically incorrect. There are guns that are illegal to sell, not just possess. Drinking Beverage

Such as? Consider

There are guns that it is illegal for some people in some jurisdictions to sell.

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I rest my case. Drinking Beverage

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19-11-2015, 12:23 PM
RE: Over half of U.S. states rejecting refugees
(19-11-2015 07:06 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  
(17-11-2015 11:53 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  I want to give you a whole bag of apples, but one of those apples is full of poison....wont tell you which one it is. Still want the apples?

How is this functionally different from banning all gun sales on the off chance that some will be used to kill people?
I will tell you how.
Evil people kill people not guns.
Ban evil people not guns.

Bad/crazy guys will find ways to have guns. If crazy guy starts to shoot innocent people and they have guns it will be less victims.
If now we don't let young and strong men from Syria to live among us we save more people.

Summary:
ban all guns - more people will be killed by crazies.
don't let young and strong men to come here now - less people will die

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