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22-05-2011, 10:24 AM
RE: Over ten thousand atheists surveyed???
(22-05-2011 09:49 AM)TrainWreck Wrote:  No, . . . it is quite a reasonable ploy. And it is working - the result is getting some mainstream media attention. this in turn will lead those closeted atheists to send some money to their local atheist organization.

Once again, you're retarded.
That aside, most atheists I know aren't active in the only communities.

(20-05-2011 09:50 AM)TrainWreck Wrote:  What do you expect me to do? search "atheist sex survey?"

I would expect the mainstream atheist websites to promote the survey so people like me will notice the survey when we survey the mainstream atheist websites - I don't know how else the survey got 14,000 participants otherwise.

You claimed you were looking on the internet all the time for these things.
News paper ads, academic institutions, telephone, email...
Asking on forums isn't the only way, and I wouldn't rely on surveying purely online anyway.

(20-05-2011 09:50 AM)TrainWreck Wrote:  You and everyone else are confirming the typical mindset by not questioning the survey.

Answer the question.

(20-05-2011 09:50 AM)TrainWreck Wrote:  Sure things in the past were very unpleasant, but how else would you expect to handle all the ignorant people???

Allow people their freedoms and educate them. Worked for the Greeks and the Romans, worked for the Native Americans too.

(20-05-2011 09:50 AM)TrainWreck Wrote:  getting people to be, or do, what ever it is you believe people to be is very difficult, and atheists are a prime example of such a problem - atheists are not doing what they want the theists to do. Atheists do not trust other atheists, otherwise atheists would be promoting the campaign of atheist politicians, which is why atheists do not enter politics, and just whine about the theist politicians.

What is it that we don't do that we think theists should do?
What makes you think atheists don't trust each other?
I've never seen an atheist politician in the US or Canada, mainly because the religious majority wouldn't support them if they found out.
Show me an example of "whining".
I'm quite certain if there was a group who wanted to take away the rights of everyone who disagrees with them, you'd "whine" too.

You should know by now that assertions don't fly around here. Answer the questions, don't just say "See, you proved it by saying [X]!"

Hey brother christian, with your high and mighty errand, your actions speak so loud, I can't hear a word you're saying.

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22-05-2011, 10:33 AM
RE: Over ten thousand atheists surveyed???
I would just like to propose that I am an atheist which in itself suggests a much more varied sex life =p

I'm not a non believer, I believe in the possibility of anything. I just don't let the actuality of something be determined by a 3rd party.
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22-05-2011, 11:32 AM
RE: Over ten thousand atheists surveyed???
You've gotta ask yourself "why don't I believe this survey is real?" If the results were that theists had better sex lives than atheists, I doubt you would have posted all this doubt over the survey's validity, because the result would have matched your desired result. Stop being prejudice toward a group of people that don't even share a common ideology.


-And I'm still not convinced you aren't an alias of a member, trolling for entertainment. I've seen it happen on other forums. I mean look at your political comment... NO ONE can be that stupid without being a troll. "The reason atheists don't support an atheist candidate is because they don't trust each other?" Well, I suppose it COULD be that I've chosen to embrace a non-belief that immediately lowers my morals, values, and honor... which is recognized as true by all atheists everywhere. OR it could be for the same reason I don't vote Libertarian even though I am one; because I don't want to throw my vote away. Atheists make up roughly 10% of America, with the other 90% being extremely misinformed (see my I am an Atheist post) about us.

If it was Jesus (D) vs Hitler ®, it would still be 40%-40% with the independents being the deciding factor. People love voting for their team.

Edit: I didn't mean to denote Hitler as a registered trademark... its just what happened when I put ( R ) next to his name.

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22-05-2011, 03:36 PM (This post was last modified: 22-05-2011 03:57 PM by TrainWreck.)
RE: Over ten thousand atheists surveyed???
(20-05-2011 11:14 PM)Buddy Christ Wrote:  Christianity is based on the Bible, and what does the Bible tell us about sex?

-One of the first things in the Bible is Adam and Eve gaining the "knowledge" that being naked is a sin.
This is a really nice list - it certainly demonstrates the typical atheist obsession with Christian legends. I do not understand how it legitimizes your reasoning that the sex survey is legit.

You are reasoning that it is probable that there are enough atheists who at one time sincerely believed that sex was bad because organized religion deems it so, and that such people became atheists; and that there were enough of such people to participate in the survey to legitimatize the results.




(22-05-2011 11:32 AM)Buddy Christ Wrote:  You've gotta ask yourself "why don't I believe this survey is real?" If the results were that theists had better sex lives than atheists, I doubt you would have posted all this doubt over the survey's validity, because the result would have matched your desired result. Stop being prejudice toward a group of people that don't even share a common ideology.
No - I would expect the results to be indeterminable. I would tend to think that most atheists are like me - I never gave the Bible much thought, I could not make sense of it, and I may have believed in god because what difference does it make - I mean obviously that is how most atheists think - what difference does it make - please accept us as just as
(22-05-2011 11:32 AM)Buddy Christ Wrote:  -And I'm still not convinced you aren't an alias of a member, trolling for entertainment. I've seen it happen on other forums. I mean look at your political comment... NO ONE can be that stupid without being a troll. "The reason atheists don't support an atheist candidate is because they don't trust each other?" Well, I suppose it COULD be that I've chosen to embrace a non-belief that immediately lowers my morals, values, and honor... which is recognized as true by all atheists everywhere. OR it could be for the same reason I don't vote Libertarian even though I am one; because I don't want to throw my vote away. Atheists make up roughly 10% of America, with the other 90% being extremely misinformed (see my I am an Atheist post) about us.
Yeah, look at how you are reasoning - 90% of the people are misinformed, and you think your vote makes a difference???

And, that the well informed atheists choose correctly, from a pool of theists???

And, you call me stupid.
(22-05-2011 10:24 AM)UnderTheMicroscope Wrote:  What is it that we don't do that we think theists should do?
Fix society
(22-05-2011 10:24 AM)UnderTheMicroscope Wrote:  What makes you think atheists don't trust each other?
Because atheists will not organize autonomous community.
(22-05-2011 10:24 AM)UnderTheMicroscope Wrote:  I've never seen an atheist politician in the US or Canada, mainly because the religious majority wouldn't support them if they found out.
So what? At least then the atheists would demonstrate that they are a legitimate political organized ideology - which is what is sought.
(22-05-2011 10:24 AM)UnderTheMicroscope Wrote:  Show me an example of "whining."
Claiming to be oppressed by the Christians, when atheists have every ability to form a political organization.
(22-05-2011 10:24 AM)UnderTheMicroscope Wrote:  I'm quite certain if there was a group who wanted to take away the rights of everyone who disagrees with them, you'd "whine" too.
Christians do not want to take your rights away - they just want you to stop fucking with them. they are of the majority and they have the right to run society as they feel fit.
(22-05-2011 10:24 AM)UnderTheMicroscope Wrote:  You should know by now that assertions don't fly around here. Answer the questions, don't just say "See, you proved it by saying [X]!"
Yeah, like such a rule gets enforced - you know reason???

You see, too bad you cannot do that with the Christians' political parties. i mean certainly, if the atheists had a political party you would enforce the reasoning of the ideology - wouldn't you???

You cannot do that with the Christians - you know they are erroneous to begin with.

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22-05-2011, 06:23 PM
RE: Over ten thousand atheists surveyed???
(22-05-2011 03:36 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  I would tend to think that most atheists are like me - I never gave the Bible much thought

You would be wrong

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Or is that yet another untrustworthy survey with a hidden agenda, probably conjured up by the liberal media in their quest to bash theists?


(22-05-2011 03:36 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  I mean obviously that is how most atheists think

My troll radar is tingling again. Just come clean, who are you really? Is this ShockofGod?



(22-05-2011 03:36 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  Yeah, look at how you are reasoning - 90% of the people are misinformed

Correct. And if you are going off of the "majority must be right" angle, then slavery should be reinstated, the earth is flat and geocentric, and Justin Bieber and Lady Gaga are the greatest musicians to have ever graced the industry, because these were all overwhelming majority beliefs.



(22-05-2011 03:36 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  and you think your vote makes a difference???

Yes



(22-05-2011 03:36 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  And, you call me stupid.

Correct again



(22-05-2011 03:36 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  Because atheists will not organize autonomous community.

What do you think this forum is?


We've been over this before, even on one of your threads I believe. Atheism is not a political ideology. It's not even a belief system. You can't have a political platform based on the non-belief in something. We might as well start the "Elvis is Dead Party." Repubs, Dems, Independents, liberals, conservatives, communists, socialists, and anarchists cannot come together and back someone because "well... he doesn't believe in God!"

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22-05-2011, 07:29 PM
RE: Over ten thousand atheists surveyed???
(22-05-2011 03:36 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  Christians do not want to take your rights away - they just want you to stop fucking with them. they are of the majority and they have the right to run society as they feel fit.
Do you not read the threads on this message board? half of them are about christians in the US trying to take away gay rights or put the bible in science class rooms.
You think a majority gets to dominate everyone else in a democracy? Go take a course on political science.
Here in civilized society we have this thing called the constitution that stops majorities from forcing their values on minorities.



@BuddyChrist, there is no way its SoG, even hes not THAT incompetent...

Hey brother christian, with your high and mighty errand, your actions speak so loud, I can't hear a word you're saying.

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23-05-2011, 09:21 AM (This post was last modified: 23-05-2011 01:33 PM by TrainWreck.)
RE: Over ten thousand atheists surveyed???
(22-05-2011 07:29 PM)UnderTheMicroscope Wrote:  You think a majority gets to dominate everyone else in a democracy? Go take a course on political science.
Here in civilized society we have this thing called the constitution that stops majorities from forcing their values on minorities.
I don't need to take any courses - I wrote the most ontologically accurate classification system - I know what is what.

Where in any constitution do you get that idea? I assure you, that is a work of political rhetoric that has not been challenged by superior reason. Constitutions can only do what is specifically stated - protecting minority thought cannot be universally applied in a social agreement. Besides, look what you are trying to do to me - you are trying to shut me down, because my reasoning is an assault on the dogma of thought that you value as a majority group - how is it that your majority is protecting my freedom of thought and expression? Would you prefer to segregate me, or call me names that are supposed to humiliate me to the point of conceding to your thought?

Believe me pal, there is nothing you can say to humiliate me - I wrote the greatest classification system the world has ever known.

There are only about five state constitutions that do not mention god - I highly recommend that you concede to understand what that means, and how it can be used to the atheist advantage. It is very complicated stuff, and you should be extremely grateful that I am on it - your best excuse better be something about your attention to your job and your offspring, because you are of no use to reason that will make a difference. You will never be considered a leader, at best, you are an ungrateful whining laborer.

We do not live in a democracy - nobody does. There are only authoritarian regimes and republics in existence, and the core essential of republics that has been neglected is that representatives can only represent organized thought. It is a miscarriage of reason to believe that representatives can represent people of diverse ideas of a geographic district - it's just plain stupid to believe that a theist can represent atheists, just as it is stupid to believe that atheists can represent theists. If you sincerely believe that atheists can represent theists then you should be able to write a political agenda that represents that - in fact why can't you and BuddyChrist, write that perfect political agenda to guide society? I guarantee it would be a best seller if you could.

The reason you, ButtHead, and the rest of the atheists, cannot put together a political agenda is because you are retarded, and the best you can do is whine about being oppressed like the whiny homos and non-whites with the expectation that the white-Christian man should devise the fix. That is whining - just like a five-year-old child who does not know what he wants, he just wants his parents to figure out what makes him happy, and if they fail, he can continue whining.

I am the proud white atheist man who is above that - I am not a whiner. I am a social problem solver - I am putting it all together. On my own - stupid, because all other atheists are stupid whiners. I am putting together a fail-proof political agenda - atheists will have no better choice than to concede with my reasoning, otherwise the Christians will champion it. Sitting around whining that the Constitution says this or says that is by-gone agenda - the majority of people want to understand how to construct constitutions that work correctly. If you had any insight at all to understanding constitutions, you would understand that people are responsible for understand all of the constitutions that serve their districts, and then you would realize that the state constitutions are to fucked up for anybody to understand - and that is a problem that you whiners just pass on to the federal constitution with the exception of understanding what and why Jefferson and Madison championed states rights.

I assure you the Christians would be more than happy to give the control of some states to that of organized homosexuals, non-whites, and non-Christians, so they could live in peace and prove that their way of thinking perpetuates better society. The problem is these non-christian demographics cannot get themselves organized; and ultimately live as parasites on the Christian society, which ultimately leads to a wide margin of human error, because reason is compromised to accommodate the opposing political agendas.
(22-05-2011 06:23 PM)Buddy Christ Wrote:  
(22-05-2011 03:36 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  I would tend to think that most atheists are like me - I never gave the Bible much thought
You would be wrong
Or is that yet another untrustworthy survey with a hidden agenda, probably conjured up by the liberal media in their quest to bash theists?
Yeah, that is kind of strange. I certainly wouldn't want to brag about that stuff - I'm glad I do not qualify as being a scholar of theist religions. I am very confident my ability to reason is far superior to the average atheist who is dedicated to understanding such bunk.

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23-05-2011, 11:43 AM (This post was last modified: 23-05-2011 01:26 PM by TrainWreck.)
RE: Over ten thousand atheists surveyed???
(22-05-2011 06:23 PM)Buddy Christ Wrote:  
(22-05-2011 03:36 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  Yeah, look at how you are reasoning - 90% of the people are misinformed

Correct. And if you are going off of the "majority must be right" angle, then slavery should be reinstated, the earth is flat and geocentric, and Justin Bieber and Lady Gaga are the greatest musicians to have ever graced the industry, because these were all overwhelming majority beliefs.
Well, you are using straw man arguments here. Do the majority of people favor slavery - no. do the majority of people believe lady Gaga and Justin Bieber are the greatest musicians - no. You have put together bullshit arguments, based on time sensitive surveys, that you didn't even reference, because you do not want to reason, because you are frustrated, because you are not prepared, because your education was erroneous, because society was not developed to accommodate the accuracy of reason that you wish we all understood. The problem with the flat Earth argument is that, at the time, the sailors who were needed to sail around the world did not trust the round Earth concept because they did not understand gravity holds the fucking water to the fucking globe - did you want the priests to drive it into their heads somehow? You would have to explain what the fuck gravity is, and how all the fucking planets do gravity and that they are in space which you cannot see - but you think it is so easy to explain to people??? (What is it that you do for a living, anyway?) The geocentric argument needed more proof, and understanding of the new concept - how come it looks like the Sun and Moon go around the Earth - how do you prove it is some other way? Just because somebody says it so, doesn't mean it is so - it takes time for people to digest intellectually challenging concepts. That's what your reasoning is with me - isn't it?

Wake the fuck up - stupid. I'm telling you that the problems with society are rooted in the assumption that classification is irrelevant to society. It is called category error, and as a correction for that I have devised a classification system that is based on scientific reasoning. But look how you and the rest of the atheists are dismissing it, because you are waiting for someone of higher authority to approve of it and impose it on society. Because you probably don't know what classification is do you, because all you know is to go find the fucking number in the library - right? (what the fuck do you do for a living - wait tables?) You are so stupid you do not know when something so scientifically valuable is offered to you - you are just as guilty of the aberration on mankind that you accuse the Christian Church of having perpetrated. I am telling you it is based on science - what more do you want? Why aren't you helping me to bring it to the enlightenment of society? Who is the authority you want me to present it to for approval - the Christian majority???

But no, I was not going off on the majority is right, in regards to your comment - I am questioning why you are going along with the Christian majority, whom you have seemingly described as uninformed??? Why not devise a party that is completely informed and knows how to guide society correctly - you cannot rely on the political parties that are dominated by theists - they cannot be trusted for logical accuracy. The reasoning of Christians is that their religion is to be the guide of all their decisions - yet you want to form some kind of compromise with them??? You want to be proud that you understand their religion better then they do???

Your mind is fucked-up.

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23-05-2011, 01:48 PM
RE: Over ten thousand atheists surveyed???
I didn't think it was possible for anyone to write something as idiotic and showing such a level of ignorance as "A man is a rape supporter if..."

I'm going to stop throwing reason at a troll and go get something to eat before I punch my monitor.

Hey brother christian, with your high and mighty errand, your actions speak so loud, I can't hear a word you're saying.

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23-05-2011, 02:18 PM (This post was last modified: 23-05-2011 02:23 PM by TrainWreck.)
RE: Over ten thousand atheists surveyed???
Well good, get something to eat and get to doin what it is you are to be doin, cause I'll be getting some beer a potato chips, and tuning in to the Yankees annihilation of those Canadian-type Blue Pidgeons in a couple of hours, and I won't be concerned with the stuff that goes on here.

I am looking forward to your reasoning, it sounded like you were prepared to lead this forum beyond the ordinary worthlessness of Internet forums and solve some problems when you said . . .
(22-05-2011 10:24 AM)UnderTheMicroscope Wrote:  You should know by now that assertions don't fly around here. Answer the questions, don't just say "See, you proved it by saying [X]!"

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