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30-01-2013, 12:42 PM
RE: Oxymorons
(30-01-2013 11:14 AM)Richard Stuckmeyer Wrote:  For the same reason atheists go to Christian sites to do their bashing, insulting, ridiculing, trolling and flaming. It's called TIT FOR TAT.
So, you do have a preconceived, misdirected, and possibly violent agenda for being here. Personally, I have only ever gone to one religious site - a christian site - the sexist, racist, and homophobic comments were so completely repugnant, I couldn't stand to stay and read more than a few threads. I had no desire to interact and made no attempt to comment.

(30-01-2013 11:14 AM)Richard Stuckmeyer Wrote:  LMAO. "Inflexible attitude"? "Discourage a free and open society"? Wow, you just described yourself. Look in the mirror, babe. You say you dont believe in God but you hate anyone that does. If you dont believe in God, then why do you care if others do? If Christians want to spread their Gospel, so what? If others want to believe them, so what?
I have never EVER stated that I hate anyone who believes in a god. (How dare you put these words in another person's mouth.) This is an assumption on your ill-informed behalf. However, I have stated very emphatically that I do not care that anyone believes in any god.

You seem to be the one making very directed statements about others whom you don't actually know anything about. You have absolutely no inkling what many non-theists have lived through to result in their atheism. You have spewed many scripted words but you have spent no time reading the words of your fellow human beings who come here to not be around belief. I'm not talking about the words you have cynically decided are too "intellectual" for your taste; I'm referring to the words of people describing serious physical and psychological abuse leveled at innocent children from their staunchly religious parents, clergy, and people like yourself. It is very possible you do not know about these things because you are very busy spreading your gospel. That is understandable and unfortunate.

(30-01-2013 11:14 AM)Richard Stuckmeyer Wrote:  Christianity doesnt deprive you of anything. You can still go on living the way you want, all being a true Christian does is free you from sin. Everyone's sins are forgiven, Christians just accept that forgiveness whereas atheists dont. It's as simple as that. Being a Christian doesnt free you TO sin, it frees you FROM sin. When a person becomes a Christian He actually, spiritually changes. He doesnt WANT to sin anymore. Of course, he WILL, because all humans sin, but a Christian, when he sins, confesses his sin to God, repents and moves on, trying not to sin again but knowing he will because that's the way of humans but the Christian doesnt dwelll on his sin because he knows they are already forgiven, 2000 years ago.
Your explanation of your belief is relevant to you. It is irrelevant to me. It is as simple as that.

(30-01-2013 11:14 AM)Richard Stuckmeyer Wrote:  Thanks for giving me the opportunity to express those feelings. Tongue
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30-01-2013, 12:52 PM
RE: Oxymorons
(30-01-2013 12:31 PM)Richard Stuckmeyer Wrote:  
(30-01-2013 11:40 AM)kineo Wrote:  1) Deny it all you want, you believe in a theology- you have a concept of the nature of God, and you study it.
2) True enough- and yet you adhere to a religion. Are you not here to impose upon us the "truth" as you see it? Is that not an attempt to control another person? The relationship was just a guess- given that it's been the cry of the religious for well over the last decade- "I'm not religious, I have a relationship! Religion is just man-made rules to control people, but I have a relationship with Jeeeeesus!" Anyway, deny it until you're blue in the face, you have a religion and you are a religious person.
3) Calling me a "boy" in a transparent attempt at undermining me does not help your own flimsy threadbare case, but fine... I can play that game much better than you can, pops. I don't take what other people say as evidence that God doesn't exist- I've learned and seen that there is no evidence for the existence of God, despite what your dusty tome dictates. But I don't expect your age-addled brain to comprehend the difference. The Bible is not evidence of the existence of God. It is evidence of generations of religious folk- you know, generations of those assholes who make up ways to use "God" to control others?
4) Whether the mods think I'm a dope is irrelevant-
They do. Wink

5)Yeah...
1.) Deny all you want, you dont know what you're talking about. Tongue
2.) A.) Wrong. I adhere to a concept.
B.) No, I dont expect you to adhere to anything. I am here to give atheists tit for tat for what they do in Christian forums. OK, I'm blue in the face but just because you say it dont make it so.
3.) Lol. "pops", now I like that one. "Assholes"? Ut oh, someone is getting cranky. There is also no evidence that God doesnt exist. That's the crux of the matter. NO ONE KNOWS. The difference is, I admit it and you dont. Where did I say that the Bible is evidence of God's existance to anyone but me? C'mon nw, try to keep up with the discussion.
4.) Good, everyone is entitled to their OPINION. You atheists really need to look that word up in the dictionary.
5.) Tongue

1) I understand the concepts of theology and religious study. Do you study your Bible? If so, to what end? Is it to try to better understand your god? Is it to be closer to your god? Is it for another reason? Why do you think it is important to study your Bible? Does it help you define better the doctrine in which you believe? Serious questions here.
2) A) How is your concept defined? Are there constraints on this concept? Are there rules, such as, "You must accept Christ," or "You must have faith," or "You must not deny His existence", etc?
B) So some atheists get their jollies from trolling Christian boards and you've come to do the same. Fantastic for you. Anyway, while we're looking things up in the dictionary, I'll provide you with a definition and source. You might deny its definition or fail to understand its meaning, but it the masses have still defined it so. Here's some definition to help you with your understanding of words:

re·li·gion
/riˈlijən/
Noun

1 The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods.
2 Details of belief as taught or discussed.

Synonyms
faith - belief - creed - denomination
Source

Your belief has details- such as there are sins, what constitutes a sin, what is required for salvation, etc. You might not like to think about those details, but they exist as part a of your concept and faith. You have a religion. Therefor you are a religious person. Not that it matters what I say to you- because you're here only to troll, but the "discussion" is an exercise none-the-less.
3) It is not necessary to provide evidence that God doesn't exist. I am not claiming that God doesn't exist. I'm claiming that I see no evidence that he does exist, and as a result I see no reason to believe that he does exist- not that I KNOW he doesn't exist. But, since that doesn't fit your narrative for atheists, by all means, continue to make shit up.

You are claiming that he does exist, therefor you must provide evidence for your claim. I am not required to provide evidence for the non-existence of Santa Clause, the Invisible Pink Unicorn, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or a super-massive black hole in the cavity which should hold your brain.
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30-01-2013, 01:43 PM
RE: Oxymorons
(30-01-2013 12:52 PM)kineo Wrote:  
(30-01-2013 12:31 PM)Richard Stuckmeyer Wrote:  1.) Deny all you want, you dont know what you're talking about. Tongue
2.) A.) Wrong. I adhere to a concept.
B.) No, I dont expect you to adhere to anything. I am here to give atheists tit for tat for what they do in Christian forums. OK, I'm blue in the face but just because you say it dont make it so.
3.) Lol. "pops", now I like that one. "Assholes"? Ut oh, someone is getting cranky. There is also no evidence that God doesnt exist. That's the crux of the matter. NO ONE KNOWS. The difference is, I admit it and you dont. Where did I say that the Bible is evidence of God's existance to anyone but me? C'mon nw, try to keep up with the discussion.
4.) Good, everyone is entitled to their OPINION. You atheists really need to look that word up in the dictionary.
5.) Tongue

1) I understand the concepts of theology and religious study. Do you study your Bible? If so, to what end? Is it to try to better understand your god? Is it to be closer to your god? Is it for another reason? Why do you think it is important to study your Bible? Does it help you define better the doctrine in which you believe? Serious questions here.
2) A) How is your concept defined? Are there constraints on this concept? Are there rules, such as, "You must accept Christ," or "You must have faith," or "You must not deny His existence", etc?
B) So some atheists get their jollies from trolling Christian boards and you've come to do the same. Fantastic for you. Anyway, while we're looking things up in the dictionary, I'll provide you with a definition and source. You might deny its definition or fail to understand its meaning, but it the masses have still defined it so. Here's some definition to help you with your understanding of words:

re·li·gion
/riˈlijən/
Noun

1 The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods.
2 Details of belief as taught or discussed.

Synonyms
faith - belief - creed - denomination
Source

Your belief has details- such as there are sins, what constitutes a sin, what is required for salvation, etc. You might not like to think about those details, but they exist as part a of your concept and faith. You have a religion. Therefor you are a religious person. Not that it matters what I say to you- because you're here only to troll, but the "discussion" is an exercise none-the-less.
3) It is not necessary to provide evidence that God doesn't exist. I am not claiming that God doesn't exist. I'm claiming that I see no evidence that he does exist, and as a result I see no reason to believe that he does exist- not that I KNOW he doesn't exist. But, since that doesn't fit your narrative for atheists, by all means, continue to make shit up.

You are claiming that he does exist, therefor you must provide evidence for your claim. I am not required to provide evidence for the non-existence of Santa Clause, the Invisible Pink Unicorn, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or a super-massive black hole in the cavity which should hold your brain.
Is it impossible for you to be concise Kineo? You remind me of some cops I know that couldnt be concise if their lives depeneded on it. Let me try to respond appropriately:
1.) Yes, for 64 years I've studied, pondered and prayerfully meditated on God's Word. Doesnt mean I do everything He says but that's MY problem, not HIS.
2.) I dont believe in doctrine. Doctrine is manmade. I belive in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
3.) I study my Bible to be as familiar with God's Word as I can.
4. A.) My concept is the existence of a Living God. Yes there is one real constraint: If you want eternal life then you MUST accept God's free gift of salvation through faith in the atoning blood of Jesus Christ. (That means simply believing that Jesus death on the cross was for the forgiveness of your sins).
4.B.) Thanks, I appreciate your approval. Lol, a man-made definition binding on no one. The masses thought the Martians were attacking New Jersey when Orson Welles did a radio program in the old days. Didnt make it a fact.
5.) Then it is not necessary to prove that He does exist, so quit asking for it. It doesnt apply to you if you dont believe in Him. In other words, mind your own business. Christians dont care whether you believe in Him or not but it just irks the hell out of you that Christians DO believe. I call that hating God and anyone that believes in Him. Welcome to Satans world, he just loves you to death.
6.) There goes your comprehension problem again. I am claiming that God exists to ME. I dont have to prove anything to you. YOU are irrelevant. I dont care if you believe in or provide evidence for the non-existence of Santa Clause (sic), the Invisible Pink Unicorn, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or a super-massive black hole in the cavity which should hold your brain. It is irrelvant to me. Calm down, son, dont get your panties in a bunch. Tongue
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30-01-2013, 01:51 PM
RE: Oxymorons
(30-01-2013 12:42 PM)kim Wrote:  
(30-01-2013 11:14 AM)Richard Stuckmeyer Wrote:  For the same reason atheists go to Christian sites to do their bashing, insulting, ridiculing, trolling and flaming. It's called TIT FOR TAT.
So, you do have a preconceived, misdirected, and possibly violent agenda for being here. Personally, I have only ever gone to one religious site - a christian site - the sexist, racist, and homophobic comments were so completely repugnant, I couldn't stand to stay and read more than a few threads. I had no desire to interact and made no attempt to comment.

(30-01-2013 11:14 AM)Richard Stuckmeyer Wrote:  LMAO. "Inflexible attitude"? "Discourage a free and open society"? Wow, you just described yourself. Look in the mirror, babe. You say you dont believe in God but you hate anyone that does. If you dont believe in God, then why do you care if others do? If Christians want to spread their Gospel, so what? If others want to believe them, so what?
I have never EVER stated that I hate anyone who believes in a god. (How dare you put these words in another person's mouth.) This is an assumption on your ill-informed behalf. However, I have stated very emphatically that I do not care that anyone believes in any god.

You seem to be the one making very directed statements about others whom you don't actually know anything about. You have absolutely no inkling what many non-theists have lived through to result in their atheism. You have spewed many scripted words but you have spent no time reading the words of your fellow human beings who come here to not be around belief. I'm not talking about the words you have cynically decided are too "intellectual" for your taste; I'm referring to the words of people describing serious physical and psychological abuse leveled at innocent children from their staunchly religious parents, clergy, and people like yourself. It is very possible you do not know about these things because you are very busy spreading your gospel. That is understandable and unfortunate.

(30-01-2013 11:14 AM)Richard Stuckmeyer Wrote:  Christianity doesnt deprive you of anything. You can still go on living the way you want, all being a true Christian does is free you from sin. Everyone's sins are forgiven, Christians just accept that forgiveness whereas atheists dont. It's as simple as that. Being a Christian doesnt free you TO sin, it frees you FROM sin. When a person becomes a Christian He actually, spiritually changes. He doesnt WANT to sin anymore. Of course, he WILL, because all humans sin, but a Christian, when he sins, confesses his sin to God, repents and moves on, trying not to sin again but knowing he will because that's the way of humans but the Christian doesnt dwelll on his sin because he knows they are already forgiven, 2000 years ago.
Your explanation of your belief is relevant to you. It is irrelevant to me. It is as simple as that.

(30-01-2013 11:14 AM)Richard Stuckmeyer Wrote:  Thanks for giving me the opportunity to express those feelings. Tongue
You're welcome.

If anyone is feeling frustrated here, our dear Lilith stated one of the reasons for the site's name ...
Quote:The name of the site comes from the fact that Seth came to Atheism by beginning to think about his own beliefs. There are agnostics here, and even agnostic atheists. This site promotes skepticism which in general focuses on not giving credibility before proper evidence is supported. There is nothing wholly wrong in stating that you are an atheist especially if stating you are someone who lives their life with a skeptical lean. Most atheists are either completely sure or nearly sure of the lack of evidence leading to a god. The laws for skepticism state that there is no reason to give any credence to an idea until supporting evidence exists, where is the reason to even doubt your stance?

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1.) Their loss is their gain. Glad you couldnt stand the heat in the kitchen and left.
2.) I dare, I dare. Because if you didnt hate God and Christians you would ignore them. I admit, I hate atheists, but then I am not a hypocrite.
3.) OMG...you just called me an ATHEIST. A pox on you.
4.) And vice-versa. Tongue
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30-01-2013, 01:57 PM
RE: Oxymorons
(30-01-2013 01:43 PM)Richard Stuckmeyer Wrote:  Is it impossible for you to be concise Kineo?

Yes.
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30-01-2013, 02:07 PM
RE: Oxymorons
(30-01-2013 01:43 PM)Richard Stuckmeyer Wrote:  1.) Yes, for 64 years I've studied, pondered and prayerfully meditated on God's Word. Doesnt mean I do everything He says but that's MY problem, not HIS.

Why don't you do everything he says? he is GOD is he not? Maybe theres a part of you that knows it's all bulshit? so you only do what you want to do.

(30-01-2013 01:43 PM)Richard Stuckmeyer Wrote:  2.) I dont believe in doctrine. Doctrine is manmade. I belive in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

So the Gospel of Jesus Christ is NOT man made? according to...?

(30-01-2013 01:43 PM)Richard Stuckmeyer Wrote:  3.) I study my Bible to be as familiar with God's Word as I can.

So you study the bible to become as familiar with what god wants of you as you can, then you choose to ignore parts of it like you said in part 1...?

(30-01-2013 01:43 PM)Richard Stuckmeyer Wrote:  4. A.) My concept is the existence of a Living God. Yes there is one real constraint: If you want eternal life then you MUST accept God's free gift of salvation through faith in the atoning blood of Jesus Christ. (That means simply believing that Jesus death on the cross was for the forgiveness of your sins).
4.B.) Thanks, I appreciate your approval. Lol, a man-made definition binding on no one. The masses thought the Martians were attacking New Jersey when Orson Welles did a radio program in the old days. Didnt make it a fact.

But apparently a conglomeration of rumours from thousands of years ago that have been translated multiple times are facts? Hmm...

(30-01-2013 01:43 PM)Richard Stuckmeyer Wrote:  5.) Then it is not necessary to prove that He does exist, so quit asking for it. It doesnt apply to you if you dont believe in Him. In other words, mind your own business. Christians dont care whether you believe in Him or not but it just irks the hell out of you that Christians DO believe. I call that hating God and anyone that believes in Him. Welcome to Satans world, he just loves you to death.

Mind our own buisness? Look at the forum your on right now. No one forced you to be here posting things you can't prove, but here you are. So were going to tell you why it's stupid. It is necessary to prove he exists if you expect any rational minds to take you seriously. And yes, many Christians DO care whether others believe in him or not, I like how you try to speak for all christians as if they're all the same. Many Christians HATE atheists, homosexuals, muslims, ext. But that's not the providence of satan? that's god right. Because their right and were wrong.

(30-01-2013 01:43 PM)Richard Stuckmeyer Wrote:  6.) There goes your comprehension problem again. I am claiming that God exists to ME. I dont have to prove anything to you. YOU are irrelevant.

This just became completely pointless, why are you here then? Obviously just to troll. I'm sure your god loves trolls. Keep it up.

Jesus never actually said to treat everyone with kindness, he said to treat everyone with kindness EXCEPT those atheistic fucks, and the homos! I don't like them!

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30-01-2013, 02:11 PM
RE: Oxymorons
(30-01-2013 01:43 PM)Richard Stuckmeyer Wrote:  I am claiming that God exists to ME. I dont have to prove anything to you. YOU are irrelevant.

Valid point.

It's interesting, however, that you came here to this forum to make it. You could have made that point on a Christian forum and garnered much more enthusiasm for your point. Heck, you could have made that point to a potted plant since the plant has no more and no less relevance than any of us atheists.

So why here?

You said you're trolling us because some atheists have trolled Christian forums. Is that all there is to it? Just a random, drive-by shouting that won't accomplish any more than if you drove by your local animal shelter and shouted out your window that euthanizing animals is murder - that wouldn't make them stop, or even see things your way, and it would only make you feel better for a few minutes until you realized that shouting at them didn't change anything.

Was this your whole purpose? A few feel better moments for shouting at atheists?

Freud (Fraud?) would say probably not. Are you here looking to see if anyone can undermine your position? Maybe coupled with having doubts about it yourself? Picking a fight with us oxymorons to bring out our worse sides, bring us down to your level (or at least your trolling level since your personal life is probably quite a bit more mature), might be just what a guy like you (40 years on the job confronting all kinds of jerks and lunatics) needs to bolster his own (subconscious, maybe) doubts about his declining faith. Get us to push back, to fight back, to be childish and insulting, to being the kinds of jerks you used to arrest all the time, and you win. You can go away convinced that atheists suck and your Christian faith is what helps you rise above those immoral atheists.

Was this your real purpose? Fixing your flagging faith?

I know your initial answer is not just "No" but "Hell NO!" but maybe it's worthy of a little introspection. I think old Siggy Fraud might agree. Well, no, probably not - he'd just tell you that you're doing it to win your mother's unnatural affections (that guy was seriously pervy).

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30-01-2013, 02:11 PM
RE: Oxymorons
(30-01-2013 01:57 PM)kineo Wrote:  
(30-01-2013 01:43 PM)Richard Stuckmeyer Wrote:  Is it impossible for you to be concise Kineo?

Yes.
I see what you did there...

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30-01-2013, 02:33 PM
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I think Nappa found something to entertain himself with. Dual account perhaps? And since I saw magic on the first page here is what immediately came into my head




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30-01-2013, 02:41 PM
RE: Oxymorons
(30-01-2013 01:43 PM)Richard Stuckmeyer Wrote:  1.) Yes, for 64 years I've studied, pondered and prayerfully meditated on God's Word. Doesnt (sic) mean I do everything He says but that's MY problem, not HIS.

You've studied theology. You have a belief in a theology.

(30-01-2013 01:43 PM)Richard Stuckmeyer Wrote:  2.) I dont (sic) believe in doctrine. Doctrine is manmade (sic). I belive (sic) in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

If doctrine is manmade (sic), then so is your one rule, so is your concept of Jesus Christ, so is your concept of god.

(30-01-2013 01:43 PM)Richard Stuckmeyer Wrote:  3.) I study my Bible to be as familiar with God's Word as I can.

Yes, but why do you want to be familiar with God's Word? What is your intent in doing so?

(30-01-2013 01:43 PM)Richard Stuckmeyer Wrote:  4. A.) My concept is the existence of a Living God. Yes there is one real constraint: If you want eternal life then you MUST accept God's free gift of salvation through faith in the atoning blood of Jesus Christ. (That means simply believing that Jesus death on the cross was for the forgiveness of your sins).

Your concept came from somewhere- you read it in your book, someone taught you, etc. In any case, many different people take different meaning in that same book- many different than your own interpretation. That's called a doctrine. You believe in and adhere to your doctrine.

(30-01-2013 01:43 PM)Richard Stuckmeyer Wrote:  4.B.) Thanks, I appreciate your approval. Lol, a man-made definition binding on no one. The masses thought the Martians were attacking New Jersey when Orson Welles did a radio program in the old days. Didnt (sic) make it a fact.

Every single word in your dictionary has a man made definition. It is a definition that we agree upon in order to communicate. If you start making up new definitions for existing words it makes communication difficult. Which is why talking to you is so painful- your dictionary is all sorts of fucked up. I can't believe I have to explain why we have definitions for words...

(30-01-2013 01:43 PM)Richard Stuckmeyer Wrote:  5.) Then it is not necessary to prove that He does exist, so quit asking for it. It doesnt (sic) apply to you if you dont (sic) believe in Him. In other words, mind your own business. Christians dont (sic) care whether you believe in Him or not but it just irks the hell out of you that Christians DO believe. I call that hating God and anyone that believes in Him. Welcome to Satans (sic) world, he just loves you to death.

Ok, that's fine. Just stop talking to me like I should believe in a god- particularly your god. Christians maybe don't care if I believe or not. That would be great- we could then have atheists in political office without controversy. We wouldn't have people knocking on our doors on Saturday mornings with pamphlets asking us to come to their church. We wouldn't have controversy over evolution being taught in schools. There wouldn't be endless streams of Christians on this site trying to convince us how wrong we are. People wouldn't get indignant when they ask me if I go to church and I tell them, "No". If Christians didn't care what we believed, we wouldn't have the Rick Santorums, Rick Perrys, Mike Huckabees, Pat Robertsons, etc. of the world. That would be fantastic.

(30-01-2013 01:43 PM)Richard Stuckmeyer Wrote:  6.) There goes your comprehension problem again. I am claiming that God exists to ME. I dont (sic) have to prove anything to you. YOU are irrelevant. I dont (sic) care if you believe in or provide evidence for the non-existence of Santa Clause (sic), the Invisible Pink Unicorn, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or a super-massive black hole in the cavity which should hold your brain. It is irrelvant (sic) to me. Calm down, son, dont (sic) get your panties in a bunch. Tongue

You're the one that's HERE on an atheist board spouting Bible verses as if they should matter to us. That's not "minding your own business".
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