Padre Pio - Fraud or not?
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24-01-2012, 08:47 AM (This post was last modified: 24-01-2012 09:01 AM by Malleus.)
RE: Padre Pio - Fraud or not?
He is kind of dead now, Morondog. Technically, as a saint, he supposedly still performs miracles, though. But I have another question to add. Did they also count the cases when he did pray and they didn't heal? He is a saint, right? His rate of success should be 100% now more than ever. I want to see 1000 people getting healed now by praying to him. I want to see amputees growing back limbs and I will pay more attention (it never ever happened in all recorded history). I will also accept cancer or AIDS patients, but his rate of success needs to be higher than 50%.

Anecdotal evidence starting with "a girl" "a man" "a child" is not reliable for an obvious reason: other religions have similar examples. Every supernatural claim, related or not to a god, has the same kind of claims. Your parents can't possibly support all of them because many are conflicting. Pick one they do not support and bring equal claims they make and ask them why they doubt such examples. Standards of evidence are there for a reason. People have to meet them or shut up.
I have seen modern faith healers claiming miraculous healing on camera. The disadvantage is that we live in the age of information and people were able to find out that the healing had happened the old-fashioned way: through successful surgery followed by professional physiotherapy. He did not just happen to walk after a prayer. He had come to church in a wheel chair for no good reason and voila! he's healed. They have to understand why you need to doubt stuff like this and to reject it unless it can be independently verified. Hundreds of people could honestly say that a man got up from a wheelchair in front of their eyes right during a prayer for him to regain the ability to walk. The same ability to walk that he had regained already through medical science. It doesn't make it a miracle, but a hoax.

Oh, no Hallucinations 4:11 says the 'gilded sheep should be stewed in rat blood' but Morons 5:16 contradicts it. (Chas)

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Padre Pio - Fraud or not? - iakhovas - 23-01-2012, 11:05 AM
RE: Padre Pio - Fraud or not? - Chas - 23-01-2012, 11:20 AM
RE: Padre Pio - Fraud or not? - iakhovas - 23-01-2012, 01:43 PM
RE: Padre Pio - Fraud or not? - Logisch - 18-11-2012, 01:11 AM
RE: Padre Pio - Fraud or not? - Jeff - 23-01-2012, 12:01 PM
RE: Padre Pio - Fraud or not? - morondog - 23-01-2012, 03:50 PM
RE: Padre Pio - Fraud or not? - Observer - 23-01-2012, 04:02 PM
RE: Padre Pio - Fraud or not? - Bucky Ball - 24-01-2012, 05:25 AM
RE: Padre Pio - Fraud or not? - Malleus - 24-01-2012, 04:09 AM
RE: Padre Pio - Fraud or not? - deadwood - 24-06-2013, 03:41 AM
RE: Padre Pio - Fraud or not? - iakhovas - 24-01-2012, 07:11 AM
RE: Padre Pio - Fraud or not? - morondog - 24-01-2012, 07:50 AM
RE: Padre Pio - Fraud or not? - Bucky Ball - 24-01-2012, 10:21 AM
RE: Padre Pio - Fraud or not? - Malleus - 24-01-2012 08:47 AM
RE: Padre Pio - Fraud or not? - morondog - 24-01-2012, 09:46 AM
RE: Padre Pio - Fraud or not? - morondog - 18-11-2012, 12:48 AM
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