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31-05-2014, 01:54 PM
Painter vs Photographer
Earlier today I watched a video in which Neil deGrasse Tyson spoke about the painters work versus a photographer and even though he didn't make the point I'm about to talk about, he inspired me to make the connection that appeared in my own mind and it's quite a simple idea.

Science observes reality. We can photograph it, from a small microscopic scale to large telescopes that look out into the night sky. Photographs attempt to capture a picture of reality. Those pictures are useful to science. They advance our understanding of the universe both big and small.

Religion uses paint. They don't make a forgery or an exact copy of reality. They paint things as they would like them to be, however grotesque and unjust that may be. Then they use that painting as a tool to tell others, "This is reality". They persuade people to ignore photographers and instead pick up the paint brush and wet the canvas following the paint brush strokes that they themselves made. "Copy my painting and paint as I painted. Obey my instructions and you will be a great artist"

This glimpse of an idea sets the tone for how I see science vs fantasy.

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31-05-2014, 04:13 PM
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Hey now.... some of us happen to be hyper-realism/photorealism painters here.

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31-05-2014, 04:18 PM
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It is actually a good analogy, I'm going to plagiarize it if you don't mind.

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31-05-2014, 06:05 PM
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At one point I was an art major in college and took numerous art history classes. Western art history was full of religious art and it got so gawd awful boring. How many damn ways can the crucifixion of jesus be painted? Painting the stories of the bible take up much of Western Art, that and Greek and Roman mythology. It's always interesting that the clothing was contemporary to the times of the artist. Yes, it's very unrealistic and interpretive sometimes with the churches blessing and sometimes not. I was so, so thankful when we got to the 20th century and impressionists painters. Degas was a breath of fresh air.

Many people don't like Rembrandt but at least he painted many of the Jewish people in the Amsterdam area and painted them as Biblical characters.

Ah, here's a wonderful painting. Lets look at the Blinding of Samson By the Philistines shall we?

This is what I felt like after a semester of Western Art History.

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Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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31-05-2014, 06:38 PM
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I like your analogy, but I can't help but wonder if religion is like Magritte or Pollock. Consider

Hell, I think Christianity must be like Duchamp—take a an existing work from someone else (DaVinci) and simply add your own little spin (whip a mustache on that Mona bitch).

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31-05-2014, 07:34 PM
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I love this perspective, thanks for sharing!
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31-05-2014, 07:39 PM
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(31-05-2014 04:18 PM)djkamilo Wrote:  It is actually a good analogy, I'm going to plagiarize it if you don't mind.

I don't mind, feel free to borrow it

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01-06-2014, 01:19 PM
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OK digital imaging maestros, here's your million dollar business idea: How many of us cringe at our ID photos on licenses, passports, etc.? Lots of us? You betcha. Write an app for the DMV cameras that algorithmically photoshops the image with flattering enhancements that don't disturb the proportions that constitute ID and voila, ID cards we flaunt instead of hide. It'll make a fortune.

The OP's insight on painting vs photography as desired image vs actual image is spot on. I think we enjoy a rare privilege; we are alive to witness a rare and narrow portal in history only a few hundred years wide: the era of the unedited portrait. We are alive to see our imaging of ourselves as we really are, warts and all. But it is a portal fast closing as photoshop (uncapitalised, like xerox) gets increasingly automated and accessible, putting easy editing back into everyone's hands.

From the emergence of practical photography in the 1800s to about the year 2000, photography was chemical, processed by trained specialists. It could be edited, but only by skill and effort. For the multitudes, the snapshot snapped was the snapshot kept, unedited. For two centuries the human chronicle took on as aspect it had never had: reality.

But that age is ending. Chemicals took skill; clicking a menu option takes none. Already digital cameras are able to erase red-eye without operator intervention. In another hundred years the province of the unedited photograph will be limited to artists and scientists, and the visual authenticity of the human chronicle will again be blurred by editing, as it was for all the millenia the preceded chemical photography, as mankind once again finds gauze for the mirror, and recovers its self-flattery.

That DMV app will show up sooner than you think - and if you get on it yourself, even sooner.
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03-06-2014, 12:08 AM
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(31-05-2014 01:54 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  Earlier today I watched a video in which Neil deGrasse Tyson spoke about the painters work versus a photographer and even though he didn't make the point I'm about to talk about, he inspired me to make the connection that appeared in my own mind and it's quite a simple idea.

Science observes reality. We can photograph it, from a small microscopic scale to large telescopes that look out into the night sky. Photographs attempt to capture a picture of reality. Those pictures are useful to science. They advance our understanding of the universe both big and small.

Religion uses paint. They don't make a forgery or an exact copy of reality. They paint things as they would like them to be, however grotesque and unjust that may be. Then they use that painting as a tool to tell others, "This is reality". They persuade people to ignore photographers and instead pick up the paint brush and wet the canvas following the paint brush strokes that they themselves made. "Copy my painting and paint as I painted. Obey my instructions and you will be a great artist"

This glimpse of an idea sets the tone for how I see science vs fantasy.

So, you are using painting and photography here as metaphor?

If not, have you heard that photos are also manipulative?

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