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22-03-2015, 08:36 AM
Palestine/Israel same old same old........
You would think because this has been going on for so long, even before I was born and I am 48, both sides would grow tired of it. I am honestly tired of both sides.

They like to think they are different but they are not. Humans will always seek to get the toughest guy on the block to defend them if they feel threatened. What perpetuates this human stupidity is the very elephant in the room neither wants to face. Both sides switch to race when you tell them it is religion. Then when you call them on race, they switch to culture. Then when you call them on that, they say it is ethnic.

Cut the fucking crap guys. This is about religion and if neither had been invented neither side would be fighting over it. This is unfortunately mundane human evolution going on and labels are what people hide behind to justify the "other" as being the outsider.

Sure you can get some on both sides to say "look, we don't want to subjugate the other" and both certainly can point to points in history of the two religions were they co existed. But no one wants to face when those things happened it was because one side had enough power that the other really had no choice but to accept their minority status.

Human tribalism will not go away. It is unrealistic for either side to expect the other to completely submit. But there will be no peace as long as religion is ignored as the root cause of all of this.

The only thing that will bring more peace to that region, is when people stop digging in their heals looking to put the toughest guy in power for either side, and everyone accepts that there is no "better club" or "chosen people". If they both pull their heads out of their asses, then it will not matter if you have one state or two states because a secular common law will create equality for everyone.

But do not hand me this crap that this is not about Allah vs Yahweh, it always has been.

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22-03-2015, 08:42 AM
RE: Palestine/Israel same old same old........
The 1990s peace process happend because of a generation that got tired of war and sued for peace....

That generation may have accopmlished peace with Jordan and the West Bank authorities but then got elected out of office and even murderd.

There are to many people who simply enjoy spilling fire into the flames of this conflict. Pederast Saudi preacher who spew the poisonous notion of an apocalyptic showdown with the jews. Iranian savages who dream of a nuclear apocalypse and the reopening of Auschwitz. Cletus and Clebus from Dixi who think the Jews must start the apocalypse.

But besides all that. No it isnt just all about religion. Because one very big contributer to this conflict are filthy antisemites like Gerorge galloway and a bunch of naiv leftwing freaks who think it is "cool" to suck the cocks of holocaust deniers and fanatical imams in the name of "anti imperialism".

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22-03-2015, 08:43 AM
RE: Palestine/Israel same old same old........
(22-03-2015 08:36 AM)Brian37 Wrote:  You would think because this has been going on for so long, even before I was born and I am 48, both sides would grow tired of it. I am honestly tired of both sides.

They like to think they are different but they are not. Humans will always seek to get the toughest guy on the block to defend them if they feel threatened. What perpetuates this human stupidity is the very elephant in the room neither wants to face. Both sides switch to race when you tell them it is religion. Then when you call them on race, they switch to culture. Then when you call them on that, they say it is ethnic.

Cut the fucking crap guys. This is about religion and if neither had been invented neither side would be fighting over it. This is unfortunately mundane human evolution going on and labels are what people hide behind to justify the "other" as being the outsider.

Sure you can get some on both sides to say "look, we don't want to subjugate the other" and both certainly can point to points in history of the two religions were they co existed. But no one wants to face when those things happened it was because one side had enough power that the other really had no choice but to accept their minority status.

Human tribalism will not go away. It is unrealistic for either side to expect the other to completely submit. But there will be no peace as long as religion is ignored as the root cause of all of this.

The only thing that will bring more peace to that region, is when people stop digging in their heals looking to put the toughest guy in power for either side, and everyone accepts that there is no "better club" or "chosen people". If they both pull their heads out of their asses, then it will not matter if you have one state or two states because a secular common law will create equality for everyone.

But do not hand me this crap that this is not about Allah vs Yahweh, it always has been.

I think it predated Allah. By thousands of years. After all, the Hebrews picked Yahweh (the Babylonian War god) specifically so he would help with their expansionary land claims.

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22-03-2015, 08:49 AM
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Christopher Hitchens wrote in god is not great that this conflict will never die.

Because religious zealots will always exist and because antisemites will always exist.

Want to stop the conflict?

Nuke everything beneath the Mason Dixon line
Nuke every settlement in the West bank.
Nuke every Islamic holy site
Nuke Iran
Nuke Saudi Arabia
Nuke pritty much every muslim country actualy
And finaly line all the "anti imperialist left", neo nazis, muslim imigrants to Europe and facists up against a wall and have them shot.

There you have it. The end of conflict in the middle east.

But probably also the end of 2-3 billion people and the biggest genocide in human history.

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22-03-2015, 09:08 AM
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(22-03-2015 08:49 AM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  Christopher Hitchens wrote in god is not great that this conflict will never die.

Because religious zealots will always exist and because antisemites will always exist.

Want to stop the conflict?

Nuke everything beneath the Mason Dixon line
Nuke every settlement in the West bank.
Nuke every Islamic holy site
Nuke Iran
Nuke Saudi Arabia
Nuke pritty much every muslim country actualy
And finaly line all the "anti imperialist left", neo nazis, muslim imigrants to Europe and facists up against a wall and have them shot.

There you have it. The end of conflict in the middle east.

But probably also the end of 2-3 billion people and the biggest genocide in human history.

Is there a downside? Consider

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22-03-2015, 09:19 AM
RE: Palestine/Israel same old same old........
(22-03-2015 09:08 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(22-03-2015 08:49 AM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  Christopher Hitchens wrote in god is not great that this conflict will never die.

Because religious zealots will always exist and because antisemites will always exist.

Want to stop the conflict?

Nuke everything beneath the Mason Dixon line
Nuke every settlement in the West bank.
Nuke every Islamic holy site
Nuke Iran
Nuke Saudi Arabia
Nuke pritty much every muslim country actualy
And finaly line all the "anti imperialist left", neo nazis, muslim imigrants to Europe and facists up against a wall and have them shot.

There you have it. The end of conflict in the middle east.

But probably also the end of 2-3 billion people and the biggest genocide in human history.

Is there a downside? Consider

Who cares!

Our species is doomed anyway!

Just look at your fellow mamals and observe their stupidity.

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22-03-2015, 09:25 AM
RE: Palestine/Israel same old same old........
(22-03-2015 08:42 AM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  The 1990s peace process happend because of a generation that got tired of war and sued for peace....

That generation may have accopmlished peace with Jordan and the West Bank authorities but then got elected out of office and even murderd.

There are to many people who simply enjoy spilling fire into the flames of this conflict. Pederast Saudi preacher who spew the poisonous notion of an apocalyptic showdown with the jews. Iranian savages who dream of a nuclear apocalypse and the reopening of Auschwitz. Cletus and Clebus from Dixi who think the Jews must start the apocalypse.

But besides all that. No it isnt just all about religion. Because one very big contributer to this conflict are filthy antisemites like Gerorge galloway and a bunch of naiv leftwing freaks who think it is "cool" to suck the cocks of holocaust deniers and fanatical imams in the name of "anti imperialism".

I never said it was just about religion, I am saying that is the root cause that allows people to make excuses like race and culture. BOTH sides are doing this and it is still a byproduct of our species tribal behavior. It isn't about making it go away, but shifting priorities from club mentality to common humanity. It is about managing differences better, not getting rid of them.

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22-03-2015, 09:27 AM
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"Impirialism" yet another word used to avoid the elephant in the room. It still in the end amounts to tribal group think to avoid seeing the other as the same species.

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22-03-2015, 09:28 AM
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(22-03-2015 09:27 AM)Brian37 Wrote:  "Impirialism" yet another word used to avoid the elephant in the room. It still in the end amounts to tribal group think to avoid seeing the other as the same species.

Imperialism hasnt existed in the West anymore since the 1960s.

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22-03-2015, 09:49 AM
RE: Palestine/Israel same old same old........
Nuke everything below the Mason Dixon line? HELLO! You know some atheists do live there, like me.

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