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10-01-2014, 01:23 PM
RE: Past Lives and Reincarnation
(10-01-2014 12:52 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  Or that the adult is making the whole bullshit story up for attention, like the flying object dad.

They had to talk to the kid too, who had to keep his story straight (I would assume).

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10-01-2014, 10:36 PM
RE: Past Lives and Reincarnation
Yep, that's enough for me, I'm a believer. Smile

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11-01-2014, 05:12 AM
RE: Past Lives and Reincarnation
(09-01-2014 11:41 PM)Im_Ryan Wrote:  Another theory I read somewhere is that your consciousness/self awareness is actually energy. Since energy is never lost/destroyed, it's possible for it to move on.
(but no, I have no real data to back this claim up, like I said before I just really find this idea fascinating)

Consciousness is more like data. If you've ever lost a file that you forgot to save or forgot to backup you will have no problem understanding what happens to a person's consciousness when they die.

Give me your argument in the form of a published paper, and then we can start to talk.
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11-01-2014, 05:36 AM
RE: Past Lives and Reincarnation
Yup, same as Haffy.

Further, this is obviously conclusive proof that this universe is a Sim game and the kid just had a corrupted data file.

Not hard to explain, really.

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11-01-2014, 11:31 PM
RE: Past Lives and Reincarnation
(10-01-2014 10:04 AM)Vosur Wrote:  
(09-01-2014 03:07 PM)Carlo_The_Bugsmasher_Driver Wrote:  MARTIN: And how do you know that these kids aren't echoing things they have heard their parents talk about or making up stories, using their imaginations, articulating dreams they may have had?

TUCKER: Yeah. Well, certainly with the imagination part - if we had never been able to verify that what the child said matched somebody who died, then you could certainly just mark it down as being fantasy. But in cases like James', the previous person, James Huston, was so obscure - I mean, he was a pilot who was killed 50 years before and he was from Pennsylvania and James was in Louisiana - it seems absolutely impossible that he could have somehow gained this information as a 2-year-old through some sort of normal means.
Yeah, well, about that... no, it doesn't. Drinking Beverage

I'm suspicious that the child was autistic or some kind of a savant and possibly encountered this information from some source ie TV, etc. about the battle of Iwo Jima. But the USS Natoma Bay was an obscure escort carrier and specific casualties probably would not be listed in a documentary.

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12-01-2014, 07:19 AM
RE: Past Lives and Reincarnation
(11-01-2014 05:12 AM)Hafnof Wrote:  
(09-01-2014 11:41 PM)Im_Ryan Wrote:  Another theory I read somewhere is that your consciousness/self awareness is actually energy. Since energy is never lost/destroyed, it's possible for it to move on.
(but no, I have no real data to back this claim up, like I said before I just really find this idea fascinating)

Consciousness is more like data. If you've ever lost a file that you forgot to save or forgot to backup you will have no problem understanding what happens to a person's consciousness when they die.

I pretty much feel the same way about it.

But I also don't know if I should be discouraging reincarnation, astrology, or a belief in bigfoot if it distracts people from the fairy tales that cause genocide and whatnot. Sometimes fun, stupid little ideas like this can spice up other people's lives.

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12-01-2014, 09:41 AM
RE: Past Lives and Reincarnation
Reincarnation makes me think of karma.
If there were some sort of after life, then I would want it to be reincarnation, mostly because it helps me feel like there is a little more justice in the world for rapists, murderers etc.

I think the idea of hell is morbid, but if reincarnation were true then what goes around comes around. You would learn a lesson from your past deeds and that is that.

I'm agnostic to the belief of course, because there is no way to know, but it is an interesting idea in my opinion.
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12-01-2014, 10:52 AM (This post was last modified: 12-01-2014 11:05 AM by Luminon.)
RE: Past Lives and Reincarnation
James Lenninger is a well-known case. But there's also the research of Dr. Ian Stevenson, thousands of cases worldwide, sorted by ethnicity, age, nationality, religion and so on. Not a conclusive physical evidence obviously, but a good statistical one.
http://reluctant-messenger.com/reincarnation-proof.htm

I'd say there is one universal mystery in the universe, and that is, what is energy. Because everything is energy, vibrating at some frequency, with some intensity, in some form. Matter is a form of energy. Consciousness is a certain complex combination of matter and energy, fundamentally consciousness is energy as such. There is a natural intelligence inherent in all energy, all matter, and so we can have computers, AI or simple organisms that display signs of intelligence. But higher beings like humans or animals are not just made of one combination of energy/matter, they have layers of them that exist simultaneously and interact with each other. IOW, this is the multiple worlds-multiple bodies idea.

I don't think we're dealing here with some other entity than matter or energy, but I think there are more than one form of matter and energy that it contains. So the biologic body is a vehicle for vehicles of higher, more exotic matter. Their integration and remembering are subject to evolution of consciousness, the experiences are not lost, only not accessible or not important, it's the lessons and gained talents and virtues that are important, not specific memories.
Esotericists see human existence as an excursion on the planet to gain experience and do work that leads to liberation - not just of individual, but of whole humanity as such.

So seeing the world from an esoteric point of view means seeing our physical existence as a shadow play of causes that precipitate to us from higher worlds. Of course many causes begin and end on their own level, including physical, so that's where rationality and Occam's razor comes in. The higher worlds are basically subjective worlds, right now we have no way to experience them but subjectively. We have only these large, empty placeholder concepts called dark matter, dark energy, M-theory dimensions and we can not be really sure that these are THE sources subjective esoteric experiences that people had for all ages. I think so, I think the brain is partially a receiver, an outpost of consciousness in the frontier of matter, but still my literature calls them subjective worlds.
We have to stay rational and pay our dues to Occam's razor and only consider the subjective worlds as an extra hypothesis, an extra dimension to everything, not a replacement for the world. That's because it doesn't change one bit what is moral, what is the right thing to do, you can know these without being esoterically inclined in any way. Reason, morality and virtue is mandatory, esotericism is not.

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12-01-2014, 10:58 AM
RE: Past Lives and Reincarnation
(11-01-2014 05:12 AM)Hafnof Wrote:  
(09-01-2014 11:41 PM)Im_Ryan Wrote:  Another theory I read somewhere is that your consciousness/self awareness is actually energy. Since energy is never lost/destroyed, it's possible for it to move on.
(but no, I have no real data to back this claim up, like I said before I just really find this idea fascinating)

Consciousness is more like data. If you've ever lost a file that you forgot to save or forgot to backup you will have no problem understanding what happens to a person's consciousness when they die.

I know I'm communicating the theory wrong. It's been years since I've read about this. One of my exes also believed in it.
It's not necessarily "consciousness", it's just energy. Like pure emotion. There's no rational behavior, or real "human like" thinking. Its like bios of a computer, without the OS installed. (since we're using computer comparisons).
Like I said, I'M VERY RUSTY on this subject. I'm remembering stuff as I go.

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12-01-2014, 08:43 PM
RE: Past Lives and Reincarnation
OH, sweet mother of fuck. Ian Stevenson's assertions and his piss-poor methods have long ago been debunked.

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