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06-04-2014, 05:10 PM (This post was last modified: 06-04-2014 05:17 PM by Mr Woof.)
Perfect Flux.
Unless perfection is static and can somehow be justified, the happenings in the Cosmos are in a state of flux. WE cannot have 'perfection 'changing about and still claim some sort of moral stability. This creates a huge problem for Judaeo/Christianity and its claims that a totally good, benevolent, all powerful, all knowing, permanently ensconced god exists.

Jesus admonishes his followers to be perfect, like their Father in Heaven. No half way measures there. But on what criteria was this perfection ever ascertained? Determining higher gods, are out of the question, as such would negate the very nature of the god in question. Dissent would be impossible as the alleged perfect holiness is locked in as a fait accompli. The state sought after (to spend an eternity) is not even partially projected in any meaninful manner.

This perfection, to spend forever in, is to be gained from living one earthly existence which may range from baby to geriatric relevant to actual years lived. Reference to a fall from Heaven and 'original sin' are used to somehow justify this "testing" in some ultra weird power play pantomime. In this anthropomorphic scenario Jesus is seen as returning physically, the graves of the dead opened, and dancing corpses celebrating.

Cosmic perfection and God's 'static perfection'remains a mystery!
Why did he need billions of sentient creatures to justify and explain himself?
Is the concept locked into itself to stagnate eternally?
Is not creativity stymied by all of this?
Well thats how Judaeo -Christianity tends to operate.......

Perhaps an ever evolving Universal Force of Goodness would be a better and easier concept to engage with? But then, that would leave room for error, creativity, and healthy questioning, an area that opposes dogma,graft, and coercion
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08-04-2014, 08:14 PM
RE: Perfect Flux.
To this argument, a theist would only state that God's "static perfection" is kept from man for the exact purpose of the creation of a life-long test. For if absolute perfection is taken away, then those who ascertain this perfection to a high (but not absolute) degree will be seen to have "passed" the test.

Thus, a human cannot be godly, but can become evermore godly throughout his or her lifetime.

In this perspective, life is just a sick game of chance, for one cannot determine their place of birth, upbringing, or culture, which in turn creates a random chance of morality because morality is determined by many undeterminable factors in one's life.
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09-04-2014, 04:00 PM
RE: Perfect Flux.
(08-04-2014 08:14 PM)UndercoverAtheist Wrote:  To this argument, a theist would only state that God's "static perfection" is kept from man for the exact purpose of the creation of a life-long test. For if absolute perfection is taken away, then those who ascertain this perfection to a high (but not absolute) degree will be seen to have "passed" the test.

Thus, a human cannot be godly, but can become evermore godly throughout his or her lifetime


In this perspective, life is just a sick game of chance, for one cannot determine their place of birth, upbringing, or culture, which in turn creates a random chance of morality because morality is determined by many undeterminable factors in one's life.

The fundamental theist will state all manner of peculiar things.

Even morality is not clear cut (abortion rights, euthansia, just wars etc) and then we have 'the mission', based on one life time, to secure permanency 'in the service', or eternal torture, as posited in at least some denominations.

God is viewed by some as having intrinsic rights to act in the most abhorrent manner by virtue of its creative or manufacturing powers....... Quite ridiculous! Generations over generations involving billions are seen as tainted by original sin. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad!Angel
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