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Personal Identification Implants. OK to require?
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07-01-2016, 04:51 PM
RE: Personal Identification Implants. OK to require?
(07-01-2016 04:46 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(07-01-2016 04:40 PM)Heatheness Wrote:  I disagree. Tagging a vehicle is not tagging a person and a vehicle is not a person and does not have rights. I am and do.

Things like a birth certificate, driver's license, social insurance number, passport, etc are already associated with you, the unique human being.

Thought experiment:
If a biometric device existed which would store and retrieve any other personal records or information, but operated solely at the discretion of the host, would you be opposed to that? As in, selectively engage whenver asked to present id or complete electronic payment or whatever. We're all just talking vague hypotheticals anyway, so what about that level of security?

No, because it's not about security. It's about privacy and at what level am I comfortable. My POV comes from a long term plan: I am in the process of going off the grid (or nearly so) when I retire. That is the working plan anyway. Smile

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07-01-2016, 04:54 PM
RE: Personal Identification Implants. OK to require?
(07-01-2016 04:51 PM)Heatheness Wrote:  
(07-01-2016 04:46 PM)cjlr Wrote:  Things like a birth certificate, driver's license, social insurance number, passport, etc are already associated with you, the unique human being.

Thought experiment:
If a biometric device existed which would store and retrieve any other personal records or information, but operated solely at the discretion of the host, would you be opposed to that? As in, selectively engage whenver asked to present id or complete electronic payment or whatever. We're all just talking vague hypotheticals anyway, so what about that level of security?

No, because it's not about security. It's about privacy and at what level am I comfortable. My POV comes from a long term plan: I am in the process of going off the grid (or nearly so) when I retire. That is the working plan anyway. Smile

Such an hypothetical device as I presented would be more private than carrying physical pieces of ID with you. Do you plan not even to do that?

Higher technology is beyond the means of any single individual, so you'll never be able to completely avoid interactions with others.

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07-01-2016, 04:56 PM
RE: Personal Identification Implants. OK to require?
(07-01-2016 04:54 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(07-01-2016 04:51 PM)Heatheness Wrote:  No, because it's not about security. It's about privacy and at what level am I comfortable. My POV comes from a long term plan: I am in the process of going off the grid (or nearly so) when I retire. That is the working plan anyway. Smile

Such an hypothetical device as I presented would be more private than carrying physical pieces of ID with you. Do you plan not even to do that?

Higher technology is beyond the means of any single individual, so you'll never be able to completely avoid interactions with others.

I would have to give it some thought. Smile

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07-01-2016, 05:18 PM
RE: Personal Identification Implants. OK to require?
(07-01-2016 04:39 PM)cjlr Wrote:  And then using 'B' to half-heartedly support an entirely different 'A'. That's the part I find odd.

"Fewer people conduct business with cash" does not equal "secret Rockefeller plot to microchip everybody". Even to you. Right?

I put forward a suggestion. Its not something I entirely believe in and I even mocked myself by posting the picture of those three wrestlers who made up the "NWO". I of course could go down the whole conspiracy route by posting other things that are probably just coincidental to try to make a case. There is no point though. I'm indifferent to it. I just raised it, that's all. I am allowed to voice my opinion and put forward a suggestion without having to back it up, because I have nothing to prove.

(07-01-2016 04:39 PM)cjlr Wrote:  I can trivially disprove that by pointing to the people here who used to be theists. Though I don't think it's really pertinent either way.

Ok I apologise and rephrase. I should have said you cant make anybody believe you.


(07-01-2016 04:39 PM)cjlr Wrote:  I mean, of course nobody knows everything - but there is only one actual common reality, and trying to get closer to it is something I find personally important to me.

I agree with you on that. However in the case of the conspiracy theory I put forward it cannot be proved definitely either way. Again, I just mentioned it and stated that we were headed towards a cashless society, which is what Russo said was the aim of what he was told. If he is telling the truth or not who know's???

(07-01-2016 04:39 PM)cjlr Wrote:  Is "just putting it out there" the new "just asking questions"? Hmm...

If you don't support something and can't back it up, why even present it? That's just a rhetorical question in general.

I'm open minded to if it is true or not. Maybe there is grains of truth in it somewhere (the conspiracy) I don't know. I'm not really that dedicated to it to go on a mission to try and prove something I am indifferent to.

I am sorry for swearing at you. I respect your knowledge but we are different. I am just chatting on here. I don't have a point to prove or feel the need to back it up to you or anybody else, which I appreciate is something which you would prefer.... Hard solid and logical proof.

I cant prove it. I can however mention it in passing, that's all I did.

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07-01-2016, 05:20 PM
RE: Personal Identification Implants. OK to require?
Information is power.

Give government power, they'll use it.

And in most cases - not the way they told you they would. Expect abuse.

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You can put a chip in me.

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07-01-2016, 05:28 PM
RE: Personal Identification Implants. OK to require?
You've already got one if you carry a smart phone.

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07-01-2016, 05:28 PM
RE: Personal Identification Implants. OK to require?
(07-01-2016 04:46 PM)cjlr Wrote:  Thought experiment:
If a biometric device existed which would store and retrieve any other personal records or information, but operated solely at the discretion of the host, would you be opposed to that? As in, selectively engage whenver asked to present id or complete electronic payment or whatever. We're all just talking vague hypotheticals anyway, so what about that level of security?
Would this device be located on the person? Or something more like a safe?

Nevermind I think you mean on the person. Interesting.

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07-01-2016, 05:46 PM
RE: Personal Identification Implants. OK to require?
(07-01-2016 05:28 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  You've already got one if you carry a smart phone.

I carry a dumb phone.....

It's registered to Arthur Dent....

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07-01-2016, 06:13 PM
RE: Personal Identification Implants. OK to require?
(07-01-2016 05:28 PM)Adrianime Wrote:  
(07-01-2016 04:46 PM)cjlr Wrote:  Thought experiment:
If a biometric device existed which would store and retrieve any other personal records or information, but operated solely at the discretion of the host, would you be opposed to that? As in, selectively engage whenver asked to present id or complete electronic payment or whatever. We're all just talking vague hypotheticals anyway, so what about that level of security?
Would this device be located on the person? Or something more like a safe?

Nevermind I think you mean on the person. Interesting.
Also, I would be against this device as "required", but would have no problem with it as optional. If chips were installed I would like to see them used in law enforcement as well, and this device wouldn't work for that.

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07-01-2016, 06:22 PM
RE: Personal Identification Implants. OK to require?
My problem with this is the safety and security of my body. Now instead of just stealing my purse or stealing my identity through cyber theft, my arm is going to be lobbed off or my eye will be plucked from my head to get to the chip inside of me.

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