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04-08-2012, 04:10 AM
RE: Perspective on quality of life and NASA.
(04-08-2012 03:58 AM)LabMonster13 Wrote:  I have to disagree not discussing the issues is one of the biggest problems. The only way things change is if we talk and learn about it. Share information and work together. Though admittedly from the responses I get for forward thinking . . . I just don't know anymore. Does everyone really prefer to be miserable and afraid?
I did not say "stop talking"... not sure what you disaggree with.

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04-08-2012, 04:28 AM (This post was last modified: 04-08-2012 04:32 AM by Vosur.)
RE: Perspective on quality of life and NASA.
Although I agree with you for the most part, I don't see how we can change anything at the current situation. They own so much money that they do not need to care about anyone else. What are you going to do? Organize peaceful demonstrations? Recent history has shown how well that works out: violent opression by the police, ignoring the complaints of those demonstrating, etc.

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04-08-2012, 04:58 AM
RE: Perspective on quality of life and NASA.
(04-08-2012 03:49 AM)LabMonster13 Wrote:  
(04-08-2012 01:20 AM)Jeff Wrote:  An "off shore account" is a bank account. Money in banks gets invested by the bank, and allows millions of other people to "borrow" the money and build homes and businesses, or get a school loan. Those homes and businesses drive jobs for millions of other people.

If wealthy people didn't have money in banks, there wouldn't be any money for others to borrow and get ahead. To say "that money is not doing anything for anybody" completely ignores the way that the money is being used by the borrowers, by the bank, and earning interest for the account holders.

Wrong. Off shore accounts do not go into the general economy. Nice to see corporate media is still doing a fine job.

No this is wrong.
What Jeff said is right. If you put money into a bank the bank then invests that money to people that borrow money or whatever.
The money just doesn't sit there or the bank wouldn't make any money.
It effects the country the banks in, so sure it may not effect America directly, but it does effect people somewhere and with globalization that does effect America indirectly.

Quote:and a majority are psychopaths. (Remember that being a psychopath means you lack empathy with other humans. This does not necessarily mean that they are violent.)

How much have you donated to charity in your life time?
I bet it isn't 28billion dollars, because that's how much Bill Gates has donated.

Quote:We are just using an economic system that is about 6000 years old

Capitalism is 6000 years old? I do not follow.
If you mean buy and sell yeah sure but what do you propose takes it place?
Without trading we wouldn't be where we are today. Trading is what allowed man to thrive, it allowed a single man to specialist in a certain profession while another man specialize in something else.
I swear this is the third time I've given the following.
person A can produce 1x and 2y
person b can produce 2x and 1y
Each are given 1000 units to turn into either x or y. The catch? Each must produce at least 500 of each x and y.
person a produces 500x and 1000y
person b produces 1000x and 500y
Total: 1500xy
Now if both can specialize and trade:
person a produces 2000y
person b produces 2000x
person a trades person b 500y for 500x.
total: 2000xy

If that is what you mean by 6000 years old then I fail to see an alternative. Perhaps you mean the way we trade, ie: with money. So you would prefer a pure communism style then? where everyone owns everything and everyone owns nothing? Well then move to a communist country and when you come back please report to us how absolutely wonderful it is.
The problem with communism is that there is no incentive, there is no 'need' to get ahead in life. If I can have the same life working part time in the corner store as I could going all through university and coming out with some rocket scientist degree, what's the incentive to get the rocket scientist degree? And even if I did why should I have the same life as someone who dropped out of high school at like 14 and pumps gas? I put in the effort and work, I should be rewarded as such.

Quote:needs to address the issue of allowing psychopaths to run a muck with the current economic system.

Well get off your ass and do something about it if you don't like it.
Did it occur to you that perhaps 'psychopaths' are running this country because they are not constantly obsessing about what others have compared to what they don't have?

Quote:The United States “defense” budget for just 2012 alone currently and this is just for the DOD is around upwards of 700 billion dollars.

Sure, but it's only 4% of GDP and you're at war.

Quote:A large percentage of the equipment used by the military is cheap or does not work.

a large percentage implies 80%+. Are you saying 80% of ARs the US troops currently are using do not work?
Doesn't really say much about the taliban then does it if they can't beat gunless troops...

Quote:Our military could function more than fine with half the money.

lolwut?

"80% of our military's equipment doesn't work"
"Oh they'll be fine with half the funding"

Quote: politicians do not care one bit about the soldiers.

Politicians are people too.

Quote:This is fantastic news the problem is the news seems to love to tell everyone how much it costs.

Well why not?

Quote:I hear lots of people complaining about social issues that is a matter of them prying into everyone else business.

so exactly what this thread is about...

Quote:They deserve zero respect, period.

Yeah, fuck politicians! fuck the police! fuck the man!

I'm being sarcastic by the way.

Quote:In California a number of shops are forced to close.

Does someone need another economics lesson on efficiency?

Quote:So instead of making money and providing to the economy

I guess that answers that question, yes someone does.
But now that shop keeper has a new profitable business or is working.
And those people that were gonna spend that money in that shop, spend it in the one across the road, still contributing to the economy so...

Quote:The idiots say there are “Too many” Medical Marijuana shops.

"idiots"?
Should the fact they're closing down (your words) not tell you that yes there is too many of them?
I mean, any 'idiot' could see that...

Quote:And this does not change the cost of anything.

Sure it does. It's called inflation.

Quote:Companies have been making a killing financially for years for just a few select people.

"Maybe there is many because there is a need for the product."

Quote:They are destroying our ability to live on this planet.

And you don't? You're using a computer which means you use power with is likely coal or oil or nuclear considering you're probably from the states, that's damaging the environment. When you get a new computer your current one will get thrown away or disposed off some how, that's damaging the environment. Do you drive or use public transport? Damaging the environment.. Throw away rubbish? Use spray cans? etc...

Quote:The top oil company makes 10 million dollars a day.

"Maybe there is many because there is a need for the product."

Quote:And the oil companies can't seem to figure out how to make an investment in alternative fuel and electric vehicles?

This is why we don't have cars that run on water, because people are waiting for oil companies to give it to us. It's laughable.

Quote:All the resources are there for us as humans to explore our universe

Oh, I wasn't aware that we were abundant in "hundreds of thousands of light years"

Quote:We could be and do so much more than we are doing right now. And why are we not?

Because people come onto atheist forums to bitch about people who have more money then themselves.

Quote:Because a few of the worlds populations have mental disorders and compound them by isolating themselves.

All poor people have hemorrhoids.
Look, I can make stupid claims too!

Quote:The fact is that all of this is not necessary.

Well then sell all your possessions and move to Tibet.

Quote:the more you learn the smarter you get

Ladies and gentlemen I present you with the most obvious statement I have seen for a long time.
*slow golf clap for stating the obvious*


Look here. I have something I've said before but it applies to you so I'm gonna repeat myself...again.

They have done experiments with two people. Person A and Person B.
Person A is given $10 and told to offer any amount of that $10 to Person B.
Person B can then accept that amount or reject. If Person B accepts he gets that amount and A gets the rest. If B rejects, they both get nothing.
And so what happened?
Person A offered B $1, the lowest amount. And low and behold, person B rejected with the reason being it's not fair.

And see this doesn't make sense. Because both started with $0. SO, $1 is better then $0, so why would you reject even if it was only a dollar.

Person B is you, you're rejecting the $1. You see what others have and don't see what YOU have. If anyone needs to open their eyes and wake up it is you good sir.

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04-08-2012, 06:01 AM
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Quote:and a majority are psychopaths. (Remember that being a psychopath means you lack empathy with other humans. This does not necessarily mean that they are violent.)

How much have you donated to charity in your life time?
I bet it isn't 28billion dollars, because that's how much Bill Gates has donated.
Sorry for the nit-picking, but Bill Gates does not represent the majority of rich people. Smartass

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04-08-2012, 06:33 AM
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(03-08-2012 03:26 PM)LabMonster13 Wrote:  It is estimated that 10 million...

I think that I mostly agree with you... but I had to skim-read most of your post. It brought out my inner English Teacher. Feel free to tell me to fuck right off... but if you paragraph your thoughts in a slightly more constructed way, with a more liberal application of punctuation... it will be a whole lot easier to read.

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04-08-2012, 06:45 AM
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(04-08-2012 03:46 AM)LabMonster13 Wrote:  
(03-08-2012 05:27 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  The only question is, are you willing to get your hands dirty... if the answer is no, shut yer hole.

A little on the hostile side is it not?

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04-08-2012, 07:45 AM
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(04-08-2012 03:49 AM)LabMonster13 Wrote:  Wrong. Off shore accounts do not go into the general economy.

You're confusing the assets and the taxes paid on gains made with the assets. An "off shore account" is just a bank account held in another country. If someone in the UK keeps their money in a US bank, that's an "off shore account."

To pay you interest on the money in the account, the bank has to use the money to make a higher interest. They'll invest it in whatever economy they see fit. For example, many Chinese banks chose/choose to invest their money in US-backed mortgages.

The interest made in your "off shore account" is taxed, and those tax revenues may or may not go back to the "general economy" where the account-holder lives.
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04-08-2012, 07:56 AM (This post was last modified: 04-08-2012 08:19 AM by Bucky Ball.)
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(03-08-2012 03:26 PM)LabMonster13 Wrote:  It is estimated that 10 million of the richest people on this earth have around 31 trillion dollars in “Off shore accounts” That money is not doing anything for anybody. Most of those wealthy people come from wealthy families and a majority are psychopaths. (Remember that being a psychopath means you lack empathy with other humans. This does not necessarily mean that they are violent.) These people are not much different from hoarders either. We are just using an economic system that is about 6000 years old and needs to address the issue of allowing psychopaths to run a muck with the current economic system.
The United States “defense” budget for just 2012 alone currently and this is just for the DOD is around upwards of 700 billion dollars. A large percentage of the equipment used by the military is cheap or does not work. The total NASA budget from 1958 to 2011 is around 500 billion. Our military could function more than fine with half the money. Again because I want to be clear, politicians do not care one bit about the soldiers. They care about weapons and equipment that is all. In the news recently I keep hearing about Curiosity one's mission to Mars. This is fantastic news the problem is the news seems to love to tell everyone how much it costs. (Around 2.5 billion by the way.) Good luck trying to get actual figures on the total cost of the f-22 project they estimate 65 billion just to fix the thing, because it kills the pilots.
I hear lots of people complaining about social issues that is a matter of them prying into everyone else business. We have the DEA shit heads who continually brag about how much marijuana they get in bust, mainly in states where it is legal for medical use or decriminalized. (Amazing fucking detective work for those assholes. They deserve zero respect, period.) In California a number of shops are forced to close. So instead of making money and providing to the economy they are now empty buildings doing nothing but rotting. The idiots say there are “Too many” Medical Marijuana shops. Shouldn't that tell you that maybe people want it? Maybe there is many because there is a need for the product. 7.25 is the minimum wage and if you draw a line from the 60s to present day it should be at around 25.00. And this does not change the cost of anything. It just pays people better wages for hard work.
A scientific calculator can be purchased for around 20 dollars. A slip cover for your phone costs 30 dollars. The slip cover also costs pennies to make. Companies have been making a killing financially for years for just a few select people. They are destroying our ability to live on this planet. The top oil company makes 10 million dollars a day. We have had technology for decades on more efficient cars. (Look up turbine engines and they are in use today in our tanks. They can run off of almost anything.) And the oil companies can't seem to figure out how to make an investment in alternative fuel and electric vehicles? All the resources are there for us as humans to explore our universe, inner and outer space. We could have colonies on mars right now. We could learn so much more and have undreamed of technology.
We could be and do so much more than we are doing right now. And why are we not? Because a few of the worlds populations have mental disorders and compound them by isolating themselves. Religious and superstitious population that spends its time waiting to die and creating self fulfilling prophecies to insure it happens whether it is intentional or not. They also cause so much harm to other people by keeping them stuck in poverty, because they make up some sense of privilege from their “holy texts”, which when examined in any critical way would tell you right off the bat that it is full of nothing. They have historical value only and not a guide on how to live your life. The fact is that all of this is not necessary. Our sense of worth is only limited by our knowledge. We can not afford to accept living this way because a small portion of our population is mental. It needs to stop and we all need to wake up. Fact the more you learn the smarter you get. There is no reason why we can't.

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04-08-2012, 08:40 AM
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(04-08-2012 06:01 AM)Vosur Wrote:  
(04-08-2012 04:58 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  How much have you donated to charity in your life time?
I bet it isn't 28billion dollars, because that's how much Bill Gates has donated.
Sorry for the nit-picking, but Bill Gates does not represent the majority of rich people. Smartass

Sure he does.
96% of millionaires donate to charity.

Or how about "The Giving Pledge" where billionaires pledge to give half their wealth to charity when they die.

It's funny, you never see the 9-5guy handing the big ass check over to the orphanage. Yet somehow millionaires and billionaires are psychopathic lunatics.

How much does anyone here donate to charity each year? How much does the OP?
I guarantee millionaires, billionaires and major corporations all donated much more.

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04-08-2012, 10:43 AM
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(04-08-2012 04:10 AM)Leela Wrote:  
(04-08-2012 03:58 AM)LabMonster13 Wrote:  I have to disagree not discussing the issues is one of the biggest problems. The only way things change is if we talk and learn about it. Share information and work together. Though admittedly from the responses I get for forward thinking . . . I just don't know anymore. Does everyone really prefer to be miserable and afraid?
I did not say "stop talking"... not sure what you disaggree with.

I meant for the not be able to change anything. Though I may have read it wrong. D: If I did ignore please D:

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