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29-03-2015, 08:18 AM
RE: Plane crash in French Alps
Trying to cheat the system or refusing to submit to evaluations altogether is one thing. And we can have discussions on whether airline pilots should submit to periodic assessments. My point is, once an assessment is made that a pilot is 'unfit to fly', as was the case here, the findings need to be reported to the airline by the doctor, not by the patient. What happened here was akin to a teacher handing a student a bad report card, and asking the student to take it home and give it to his/her parents.
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29-03-2015, 10:19 AM
RE: Plane crash in French Alps
(29-03-2015 06:27 AM)TheBear Wrote:  
(29-03-2015 05:46 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  Devil's Advocate ---

If the shrink turns in his patients - the patients will quit seeing the shrink.......

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Psychological testing every 6 months or annually, should be required of all commercial pilots, no exception.

Sure....

But ---

Shrink -- "Do you feel suicidal?"

Suicidal Pilot "Nope, never felt better".

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It's sort of the "horse to water, but can't make him drink" conundrum.

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29-03-2015, 11:00 AM
RE: Plane crash in French Alps
Given the fact that anyone can "cheat" in a psychological test and that the procedure is not foolproof, I suppose that this is the reason why there should be at least two people in the cockpit.

If something happens to one of the pilots, the other one takes over. The problem is that they haven't looked ahead to prevent such things, even though this is not the first time a pilot locks himself inside the cockpit and crashes the plane.

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29-03-2015, 11:22 AM
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Ok back the train up, there is one major reason this will never work. Doctor Patient confidentiality. Had the psychologist gone to the employer they would have been disbarred for life.

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29-03-2015, 05:24 PM
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(29-03-2015 11:22 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Ok back the train up, there is one major reason this will never work. Doctor Patient confidentiality. Had the psychologist gone to the employer they would have been disbarred for life.

I'm pretty sure there is an out for something like "clear and present danger". Consider

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29-03-2015, 05:29 PM
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(29-03-2015 05:24 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(29-03-2015 11:22 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Ok back the train up, there is one major reason this will never work. Doctor Patient confidentiality. Had the psychologist gone to the employer they would have been disbarred for life.

I'm pretty sure there is an out for something like "clear and present danger". Consider

Yes but the danger was not either, to the psychologist he was seeing. Had he been openly suicidal he would have been committed.

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29-03-2015, 05:43 PM
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(29-03-2015 11:22 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Ok back the train up, there is one major reason this will never work. Doctor Patient confidentiality. Had the psychologist gone to the employer they would have been disbarred for life.


All the airlines need to know is if the person fit to fly airplanes, yea or nay. They don't need to get into any specifics beyond that. No breach of confidentiality is involved.
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29-03-2015, 05:45 PM
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(29-03-2015 05:24 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(29-03-2015 11:22 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Ok back the train up, there is one major reason this will never work. Doctor Patient confidentiality. Had the psychologist gone to the employer they would have been disbarred for life.

I'm pretty sure there is an out for something like "clear and present danger". Consider

Yup, from the National Institute of Health.

Quote:Although the parameters of confidentiality may vary according to jurisdiction and clinical setting (e.g., in military, correctional, forensic, or substance recovery settings), there are five generally recognized exceptions to the duty of confidentiality that clinicians may wish to keep in mind.4 A mnemonic device to remember the exceptions to the duty of confidentiality is the “Five C's.” The Five C's are:
  • Consent—A clinician may release confidential information with the consent of the patient or a legally authorized surrogate decision maker, such as a parent, guardian, or other surrogate designated by an advance medical directive.
  • Court Order—A clinician may release confidential information upon the receipt of an order by a court of competent jurisdiction. (Note: Unless issued by a judge, a subpoena should not be considered the equivalent of a court order in many jurisdictions.)
  • Continued Treatment—A clinician may release confidential information necessary for the continued treatment of a patient. (This exception is also recognized by HIPAA, subject to the “minimum necessary” rule of limited disclosure.5 )
  • Comply with the Law—A clinician may reveal confidential information in order to comply with mandatory reporting statutes (e.g., child abuse), law enforcement or administrative agency investigations, business operations, and other such lawful purposes.
  • Communicate a Threat—This is the well known Tarasoff exception to confidentiality that involves the clinician's duty to protect others from violence by a patient. The Tarasoff exception exists in a variety of forms in many jurisdictions.

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30-03-2015, 11:32 AM
RE: Plane crash in French Alps
(29-03-2015 05:29 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(29-03-2015 05:24 PM)Chas Wrote:  I'm pretty sure there is an out for something like "clear and present danger". Consider

Yes but the danger was not either, to the psychologist he was seeing. Had he been openly suicidal he would have been committed.

He was openly suicidal it seems and was being treated by a psychotherapist due to his suicidal thoughts.

https://gma.yahoo.com/germanwings-co-pil...ories.html

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30-03-2015, 04:41 PM
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The co-pilot had been treated for suicidal tendencies in the past.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wire...e-30000660
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