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09-08-2015, 09:48 AM
RE: Planned Parenthood is profitting off baby parts!!!
(09-08-2015 12:53 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(09-08-2015 12:29 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  I'd happily welcome honest theists. We have a few, though they haven't been around lately, to our chagrin, as they'd likely tell you what I'm about to tell you now:

Theist are not welcome here so they leave.

A Theist like me are the outliers because we can handle all the abuse you bitches can throw at us.

As "you bitches" seems aimed at every atheist on the forum, I think you've dug yourself a bit of a hole. An honorable person would consider amending his signature to reflect the large number of apologies owed versus forgivenesses granted. I freely forgive you for insulting me, so you can start your count at a slightly less negative point.

I'd also recommend Gas-X, or perhaps Beano, for that turning the cheek and letting it go problem you are mentioning so much. Hope that you will be feeling better soon!
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09-08-2015, 12:50 PM
RE: Planned Parenthood is profitting off baby parts!!!
(09-08-2015 12:53 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(09-08-2015 12:29 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  I'd happily welcome honest theists. We have a few, though they haven't been around lately, to our chagrin, as they'd likely tell you what I'm about to tell you now:

Theist are not welcome here so they leave.

A Theist like me are the outliers because we can handle all the abuse you bitches can throw at us.

I forgive you for calling us bitches, bitch.

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09-08-2015, 12:55 PM
RE: Planned Parenthood is profitting off baby parts!!!
It's a common street tactic. He can't offer any support for what he posts, so when he gets pushback, he attempts to change the subject to how poorly he thinks he's treated. It's called "deflection". The whiney cry-baby is a past master at the tactic.

Yawn.

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09-08-2015, 01:02 PM
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(09-08-2015 12:53 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  Theist are not welcome here so they leave.

A Theist like me are the outliers because we can handle all the abuse you bitches can throw at us.

Let's break this down a bit.

Theists are welcome here.

Theists like you...not so much.

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11-08-2015, 01:15 PM (This post was last modified: 11-08-2015 02:43 PM by WalkingSnake.)
RE: Planned Parenthood is profitting off baby parts!!!
So the latest in my online debate is this response. His words are in italic, and the transcript featured in the video in bold. The Lamborghini bit is dumb and I responded easily there. But I'm not sure what he's getting at with the "what others are getting".

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That being said, the videos clearly show a profit motive, which would be illegal.

Buyer: And are we agreed that $100 would keep you happy.

Laurel: I think so

Dr. Gatter: Well let me agree to find out what other affiliates in California are getting, and if they’re getting substantially more, then we can discuss it then.


- But wait, it doesn't matter what others are getting because you are only allowed to charge what it costs you to store the baby parts. This is not a free market, you have to sell at cost.


Buyer: Yes.

Dr. Gatter: I mean, the money is not the important thing, but it has to be big enough that it is worthwhile.

-What? It isn't being sold for science and the greater good. What defines worthwhile? Since the money has to be great enough to make it worthwhile, profit must make it worthwhile.


Buyer: No, no, but it is something to talk about. I mean, it was one of the first things you brought up, right? So.

Dr. Gatter: Mhm.

Buyer: Now here’s another thought, is we could talk about specimen, per specimen per case, or per procured tissue sample.

Dr. Gatter: Mhm.

Buyer: So if we’re able to get a liver/thymus pair, maybe that is $75 per specimen, so that’s a liver/thymus pair and that’s $150.

Dr. Gatter: Mhm.

Buyer: Versus if we can get liver, thymus, and a brain hemisphere, and all that, then that’s

Dr. Gatter: Okay.

Buyer: So that protects us so that we’re not paying for stuff we can’t use. And I think it also maybe illustrates things

Dr. Gatter: It’s been years since I talked about compensation, so let me just figure out what others are getting, if this is in the ballpark, it’s fine, if it’s still low then we can bump it up. I want a Lamborghini. [laughs]


- But wait, it doesn't matter what others are getting because you are only allowed to charge what it costs you to store and possibly deliver the baby parts. This is not a free market, you have to sell at cost.

- How would selling at cost help you get a Lamborghini? Unless you are selling at profit and using the proceeds to enrich yourself.


Buyer: [Laughs] What did you say?

Dr. Gatter: I said I want a Lamborghini! [laughs]

- Wow, in case you missed the profit motive the first time.


Buyer: Don’twe all, right?

Dr. Gatter: [laughs] Exactly!

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11-08-2015, 04:05 PM (This post was last modified: 11-08-2015 04:08 PM by dancefortwo.)
RE: Planned Parenthood is profitting off baby parts!!!
Some of those christians who shout about fetal cells being sold should also complain about blood being sold and hela cells and hundreds of other cells that are bought and sold for science research throughout the world.

But regarding fetal cells, I'll just quote from this article.

Quote:If researchers are unable to work with fetal tissue, there is a huge list of diseases for which researchers would move much more slowly, rather than quickly, to find their cause and how they can be cured," Stanford University spokeswoman Lisa Lapin said in an email.

Quote:From 2011 through 2014 alone, 97 research institutions - mostly universities and hospitals - received a total of $280 million in federal grants for fetal tissue research from the National Institutes of Health. A few institutions have consistently gotten large shares of that money, including Yale, the University of California and Massachusetts General Hospital, which is affiliated with Harvard.

The article goes on to say:

The U.S. government prohibits the sale of fetal tissue for profit and requires separation between researchers and the women who donate fetuses. Some schools go further, requiring written consent from donors.

Many major universities declined to make scientists available for interviews about their fetal tissue work, saying they fear for the researchers' safety because the issue is so highly charged. The Planned Parenthood uproar led to a failed attempt by Republicans to strip the organization of federal funding.



"Researchers use fetal tissue to understand cell biology and human development. Others use it to look for treatments for AIDS. Research on spinal cord injuries and eyesight-robbing macular degeneration involves transplanting fetal cells into patients. European researchers recently began putting fetal tissue into patients' brains to try to treat Parkinson's, a strategy that previously had mixed results.

Some scientists are looking for alternatives to fetal tissue, such as using adult cells that have been "reprogrammed" to their earlier forms. But those techniques are still being refined, and some fields are likely to remain reliant on fetal tissue, such as the study of fetal development.

Vaccines have been one of the chief public benefits of fetal tissue research. Vaccines for hepatitis A, German measles, chickenpox and rabies, for example, were developed using cell lines grown from tissue from two elective abortions, one in England and one in Sweden, that were performed in the 1960s.

German measles, also known as rubella, "caused 5,000 spontaneous abortions a year prior to the vaccine," said Dr. Paul Offit, an infectious-disease specialist at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. "We wouldn't have saved all those lives had it not been for those cells."

Fetal tissue was "absolutely critical" to the development of a potential Ebola vaccine that has shown promise, said Dr. Carrie Wolinetz, an associate director at NIH, which last year handed out $76 million for work involving fetal tissue, or 0.2 percent of the agency's research budget.

Scientists are also using fetal tissue to try to identify substances in adults that could be early warning signs of cancer, said Dr. Akhilesh Pandey, a molecular biologist at Johns Hopkins University.

Experts at MIT and other research centers use fetal tissue to implant the human immune system into mice, as a way to study diseases without employing people as test subjects. They add tumors to study the immune system's response, then test cancer treatments out on the mice.

"This eventually will provide a benefit to society," said Jianzhu Chen, an immunology professor and researcher at MIT.

At Stanford, fetal tissue has been used to study Huntington's disease, "bubble boy disease" and juvenile diabetes. Fetal brain calls are now being used there in research on autism and schizophrenia.

After the release of the undercover videos, Colorado State University conducted an ethics review and suspended its dealings with one vendor. But it is pressing ahead with its HIV research with fetal tissue."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/us-s...ostpopular

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11-08-2015, 11:34 PM
RE: Planned Parenthood is profitting off baby parts!!!
(09-08-2015 01:02 PM)Anjele Wrote:  
(09-08-2015 12:53 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  Theist are not welcome here so they leave.

A Theist like me are the outliers because we can handle all the abuse you bitches can throw at us.

Let's break this down a bit.

Theists are welcome here.

Theists like you...not so much.

The real problem is Blowjob is an acute asshole, the theist bit is incidental.

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14-08-2015, 01:25 AM
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(11-08-2015 11:34 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(09-08-2015 01:02 PM)Anjele Wrote:  Let's break this down a bit.

Theists are welcome here.

Theists like you...not so much.

The real problem is Blowjob is an acute asshole, the theist bit is incidental.

I forgive you for calling me an acute asshole.
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14-08-2015, 06:34 AM
RE: Planned Parenthood is profitting off baby parts!!!
(14-08-2015 01:25 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(11-08-2015 11:34 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  The real problem is Blowjob is an acute asshole, the theist bit is incidental.

I forgive you for calling me an acute asshole.

Yeah, he's quite obviously obtuse.

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14-08-2015, 09:52 AM
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Ben Carson, quite the hypocrite.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ben-...ostpopular

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