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26-11-2014, 02:42 PM
RE: Please Demonstrate
(26-11-2014 02:29 PM)Free Wrote:  
(26-11-2014 10:54 AM)Chas Wrote:  The Global Positioning System - GPS.
The clocks on the satellites run more slowly than stationary clocks on earth. The times reported must be adjusted for the relativistic time dilation.

So, no, common sense notions of time and space are not true descriptions of reality.

Can the reason for the slower speed be explained via conventional thinking?

Short answer: no.
Longer answer: fuck no.

The last competing "conventional" theory was ether, which was definitively disproven a hundred and thirty years ago, even before relativity was proposed.

Your intuition is entirely useless when applied beyond the scope of immediate human experience. Maybe you don't like that idea - and you're not alone in that: even Einstein, after banishing "conventional thinking" from relativity, hated the implications of quantum theory - but that doesn't make it not true.

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26-11-2014, 10:25 PM
RE: Please Demonstrate
(26-11-2014 01:27 PM)Free Wrote:  
(26-11-2014 11:00 AM)Chas Wrote:  That paper says no such thing. It says electrons will be trapped as a plasma - we still can't know their position and velocity. Heisenberg still rules.

But my point being that since they were trapped in a confined area, then we know for a certainty where they are; in the confined area.

Are they not in a measurable area when trapped in a confined space?

The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is still in full effect; we cannot know any of those electrons' precise position and exact momentum. It doesn't matter that they are confined, they aren't confined at a point but in a volume of space.

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27-11-2014, 06:06 AM
RE: Please Demonstrate
... in fact it is possible to force uncertainty in momentum by fixing the position in space - pass a quantum particle through a highly restrictive barrier and the momentum of the particles that make it through will be randomized.

Give me your argument in the form of a published paper, and then we can start to talk.
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