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24-05-2013, 05:58 AM
RE: Please Share The Experience That Confirmed You Were an Atheist/Agnostic
Count me with the folks who didn't have a moment. I had doubts as a child because early on I knew snakes couldn't talk and virgins didn't give birth and wondered about the omniscient god who created a species he wanted to love him but knew would f up, as well as the other religions whose sense of certainty and rightness matched that of christianity. I drifted away, returned awhile as an adult, but the doubts continued. Then a couple of years ago, I discovered Hitchens and Dawkins and other atheist authors whose logic made way more sense than the bible. I still thought that so many people believe, so there must be a shred of something to it, so I read apologists, Francis Collins (a theistic evolutionist and head of the genome project), and other believers' works for a balance. But that turned out to be my last hurrah. The Accident of Birth deal really seals it--knowing that if I'd been born somewhere else, I'd very likely be a Mormon, Muslim, Hindu, or Buddhist as purely a function of birth and culture, and that none of them are provable in any way. That was a clincher, plus i read about the lack of historical evidence that Jesus even existed and the strikingly similar Osiris and Mithra myths that came before. In their stories a god-child was born near the winter solstice of a virgin, hidden from a mass slaughter (like Jesus supposedly was from Herod), worked miracles, died on a tree, etc. I got over the argument from utility deal about morality seeing that codes were developed before Jesus supposedly was here and studying evolution, made a brief attempt at deism, but then realized it seemed pointless to me. I've read a lot of these things from all corners this last year, and my atheism has coalesced. I found this board last year and know I'm far from the only one. Plus, even where I live, a couple of other people close to me have come out of the atheist closet with me, no small thing here.

So I remain an agnostic atheist--one who does not think there is a god but thinks we cannot know, which to me is the logical default position when no evidence exists. There was not one moment, but this last year has been the time period I can later point to as the time when I knew and admitted what I believed after not knowing for so long,

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24-05-2013, 06:03 AM
RE: Please Share The Experience That Confirmed You Were an Atheist/Agnostic
(24-05-2013 01:05 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  I had many little moments. I didn't begin really adding them up until I was older.

same here.
it seems to be a topic that has also ebbed and flowed in my life, sometimes it was at the fore front of my thoughts, but most times I never bothered to think about it.

I do remember being small child and being SUPER pissed off. My sister had a Pegasus figurine. I liked unicorns. We owned a horse that I just loved. Then one day someone told me the story of Noah and that is why we don't have unicorns- because the bastard left them behind! I WAS PISSED. and probably 5. but I still couldn't wrap my brain around the fact that if unicorns were real why the FUCK someone wouldn't have put them on the damn boat. He saved a bazillion spiders and not one set of unicorns!!

I think my much older atheist brother knew that even 5 year old could think with reason-it just had to be something that I cared about.


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24-05-2013, 06:14 AM (This post was last modified: 24-05-2013 06:18 AM by Bows and Arrows.)
RE: Please Share The Experience That Confirmed You Were an Atheist/Agnostic
In fact I was so pissed about the unicorn my sister bought me one of my all time favorite poetry books that I still have till this day that I share with my kids. It came out when I was about 7 years old.


The Unicorn
from the book "Where the Sidewalk Ends" (1974)
by Shel Silverstein

A long time ago, when the earth was green
and there was more kinds of animals than you've ever seen,
and they run around free while the world was bein' born,
and the lovliest of all was the Unicorn.

There was green alligators and long-neck geese.
There was humpy bumpy camels and chimpanzees.
There was catsandratsandelephants, but sure as you're born
the lovliest of all was the Unicorn.

But the Lord seen some sinnin', and it caused him pain.
He says, "Stand back, I'm gonna make it rain."
He says, "Hey Brother Noah, I'll tell ya whatcha do.
Go and build me a floatin' zoo.

And you take two alligators and a couple of geese,
two humpy bumpy camels and two chimpanzees.
Take two catsandratsandelephants, but sure as you're born,
Noah, don't you forget my Unicorn."

Now Noah was there, he answered the callin'
and he finished up the ark just as the rain was fallin'.
He marched in the animals two by two,
and he called out as they went through,

"Hey Lord, I got your two alligators and your couple of geese,
your humpy bumpy camels and your chimpanzees.
Got your catsandratsandelephants - but Lord, I'm so forlorn
'cause I just don't see no Unicorn."

Ol' Noah looked out through the drivin' rain
but the Unicorns were hidin', playin' silly games.
They were kickin' and splashin' in the misty morn,
oh them silly Unicorn.

The the goat started goatin', and the snake started snakin',
the elephant started elephantin', and the boat started shaking'.
The mouse started squeakin', and the lion started roarin',
and everyone's abourd but the Unicorn.

I mean the green alligators and the long-neck geese,
the humpy bumpy camels and the chimpanzees.
Noah cried, "Close the door 'cause the rain is pourin' -
and we just can't wait for them Unicorn."

Then the ark started movin', and it drifted with the tide,
and the Unicorns looked up from the rock and cried.
And the water come up and sort of floated them away -
that's why you've never seen a Unicorn to this day.

You'll see a lot of alligators and a whole mess of geese.
You'll see humpy bumpy camels and lots of chimpanzees.
You'll see catsandratsandelephants, but sure as you're born
you're never gonna see no Unicorn


IF *I* was Noah- they would have been the first ones on. That's when I knew. About the same time that tv show Land of the Lost was on. I loved that show too and I got to wondering about dinosaurs.


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24-05-2013, 06:42 AM
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(24-05-2013 06:14 AM)Bows and Arrows Wrote:  In fact I was so pissed about the unicorn my sister bought me one of my all time favorite poetry books that I still have till this day that I share with my kids. It came out when I was about 7 years old.


The Unicorn
from the book "Where the Sidewalk Ends" (1974)
by Shel Silverstein

A long time ago, when the earth was green
and there was more kinds of animals than you've ever seen,
and they run around free while the world was bein' born,
and the lovliest of all was the Unicorn.

There was green alligators and long-neck geese.
There was humpy bumpy camels and chimpanzees.
There was catsandratsandelephants, but sure as you're born
the lovliest of all was the Unicorn.

But the Lord seen some sinnin', and it caused him pain.
He says, "Stand back, I'm gonna make it rain."
He says, "Hey Brother Noah, I'll tell ya whatcha do.
Go and build me a floatin' zoo.

And you take two alligators and a couple of geese,
two humpy bumpy camels and two chimpanzees.
Take two catsandratsandelephants, but sure as you're born,
Noah, don't you forget my Unicorn."

Now Noah was there, he answered the callin'
and he finished up the ark just as the rain was fallin'.
He marched in the animals two by two,
and he called out as they went through,

"Hey Lord, I got your two alligators and your couple of geese,
your humpy bumpy camels and your chimpanzees.
Got your catsandratsandelephants - but Lord, I'm so forlorn
'cause I just don't see no Unicorn."

Ol' Noah looked out through the drivin' rain
but the Unicorns were hidin', playin' silly games.
They were kickin' and splashin' in the misty morn,
oh them silly Unicorn.

The the goat started goatin', and the snake started snakin',
the elephant started elephantin', and the boat started shaking'.
The mouse started squeakin', and the lion started roarin',
and everyone's abourd but the Unicorn.

I mean the green alligators and the long-neck geese,
the humpy bumpy camels and the chimpanzees.
Noah cried, "Close the door 'cause the rain is pourin' -
and we just can't wait for them Unicorn."

Then the ark started movin', and it drifted with the tide,
and the Unicorns looked up from the rock and cried.
And the water come up and sort of floated them away -
that's why you've never seen a Unicorn to this day.

You'll see a lot of alligators and a whole mess of geese.
You'll see humpy bumpy camels and lots of chimpanzees.
You'll see catsandratsandelephants, but sure as you're born
you're never gonna see no Unicorn


IF *I* was Noah- they would have been the first ones on. That's when I knew. About the same time that tv show Land of the Lost was on. I loved that show too and I got to wondering about dinosaurs.




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24-05-2013, 06:54 AM
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Now, as a kid I knew, that, if there really was a God he would have got a bolt of lightning and beat Noah' ass with it. I can just hear him now "I told you dumbass not to forget my unicorn and you left them out on the rocks to drown!!"

so, no ass kicking, means no Noah, no God, no unicorns.


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24-05-2013, 06:58 AM
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(24-05-2013 02:36 AM)Free Thought Wrote:  The experience which confirmed my being an atheist?

*looks at Dictionary definition of the word 'atheist'*

"Huh. That's what it's called..."

^win.

I was always pretty much like that. Having a vision of god in 2005 only served to make me a gnostic atheist. Tongue

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24-05-2013, 01:54 PM
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(24-05-2013 06:14 AM)Bows and Arrows Wrote:  In fact I was so pissed about the unicorn my sister bought me one of my all time favorite poetry books that I still have till this day that I share with my kids. It came out when I was about 7 years old.


The Unicorn
from the book "Where the Sidewalk Ends" (1974)
by Shel Silverstein

A long time ago, when the earth was green
and there was more kinds of animals than you've ever seen,
and they run around free while the world was bein' born,
and the lovliest of all was the Unicorn.

There was green alligators and long-neck geese.
There was humpy bumpy camels and chimpanzees.
There was catsandratsandelephants, but sure as you're born
the lovliest of all was the Unicorn.

But the Lord seen some sinnin', and it caused him pain.
He says, "Stand back, I'm gonna make it rain."
He says, "Hey Brother Noah, I'll tell ya whatcha do.
Go and build me a floatin' zoo.

And you take two alligators and a couple of geese,
two humpy bumpy camels and two chimpanzees.
Take two catsandratsandelephants, but sure as you're born,
Noah, don't you forget my Unicorn."

Now Noah was there, he answered the callin'
and he finished up the ark just as the rain was fallin'.
He marched in the animals two by two,
and he called out as they went through,

"Hey Lord, I got your two alligators and your couple of geese,
your humpy bumpy camels and your chimpanzees.
Got your catsandratsandelephants - but Lord, I'm so forlorn
'cause I just don't see no Unicorn."

Ol' Noah looked out through the drivin' rain
but the Unicorns were hidin', playin' silly games.
They were kickin' and splashin' in the misty morn,
oh them silly Unicorn.

The the goat started goatin', and the snake started snakin',
the elephant started elephantin', and the boat started shaking'.
The mouse started squeakin', and the lion started roarin',
and everyone's abourd but the Unicorn.

I mean the green alligators and the long-neck geese,
the humpy bumpy camels and the chimpanzees.
Noah cried, "Close the door 'cause the rain is pourin' -
and we just can't wait for them Unicorn."

Then the ark started movin', and it drifted with the tide,
and the Unicorns looked up from the rock and cried.
And the water come up and sort of floated them away -
that's why you've never seen a Unicorn to this day.

You'll see a lot of alligators and a whole mess of geese.
You'll see humpy bumpy camels and lots of chimpanzees.
You'll see catsandratsandelephants, but sure as you're born
you're never gonna see no Unicorn


IF *I* was Noah- they would have been the first ones on. That's when I knew. About the same time that tv show Land of the Lost was on. I loved that show too and I got to wondering about dinosaurs.

I thought of this EXACT poem when I read your first post Smile I happen to like this one.

I'm sorry your unicorn dreams were crushed when you were so young Sad That would really suck to think that someone just FORGOT about the unicorns OR that they found some kind of flaw with the unicorns.

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24-05-2013, 03:05 PM
RE: Please Share The Experience That Confirmed You Were an Atheist/Agnostic
(24-05-2013 02:27 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  I never have believed in God.
I never use to think other people did too when I was younger. I always believed that people believed the same as me that it was just a story, sort of like a big joke like "be nice or God will punish you hahahaha".
It wasn't until later that I came to realize that people were serious, that they were serious about believing in this invisible man in the sky. That's when I started to realize how fucking retarded the world was.
This. It still blows my mind, too. I thought it was the exact same thing as Santa Claus, you know, be good or you won't get gifts, except this story was "be good so you don't burn in hell for eternity." I thought it was all just a game to scare kids when I was a kid, then I got older and realized adults were serious. This upset me greatly in my teen years and I defaced a lot of churches. I even took a dump on the steps of my former church as a teenager. I was apparently too busy in my 20s to think about it much, but since then I've decided that there are better ways to express my disgust than pooping on churches.
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24-05-2013, 03:08 PM
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(24-05-2013 03:05 PM)amyb Wrote:  I was apparently too busy in my 20s to think about it much, but since then I've decided that there are better ways to express my disgust than pooping on churches.

Other than burning them down? Consider

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24-05-2013, 03:58 PM
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Catholic boy falls in love with Jewish girl...all hell breaks loose!
The hypocrisy of both religions hit me like a ton of bricks.
Your religions and your gods can all go fuck themselves...
And now here I am Cool

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