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23-05-2013, 08:04 PM
Please share the experience you had that solidified your belief in god.
I just think its rather convenient that "god" only reveals itself to firm believers. Why not convince a non-beliver? I have been told that I need to look "harder" or have faith, so much work for me to do while "god" does nothing. Some experience(usually near-death) must have triggered this devout belief?
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23-05-2013, 08:29 PM
RE: Please share the experience you had that solidified your belief in god.
A couple of experiences did it for me. It's what they call "personal revelation". It was overwhelming and life changing, for the moment. I recall that all of these moments seemed to happen at camps, conventions or other events set up to emotionally manipulate the audience. Camps were the best, because you had a whole week of daily conditioning building up to the last night when the message and the music were the most stirring.

I was convinced that god reached out to me personally, until I grew up and thought about what the fuck was really going on and learned how easily we all can fall victim to the right circumstance.

But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.

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23-05-2013, 11:48 PM (This post was last modified: 23-05-2013 11:53 PM by Misanthropik.)
RE: Please share the experience you had that solidified your belief in god.
I think I've talked about this elsewhere, but it's whatever. I don't mind writing. Smile

When I was 15, my grandfather was dying of cancer. It began as a mysterious bout of "itching all over" while we were on (what would turn out to be our last) vacation in Ocean City, MD. He thought he was breaking out with some sort of allergy, so the relaxation was interrupted by a hasty trip to the hospital. Upon checking him out, they discovered that he had aggressive pancreatic cancer.

In the following months, his descent was rapid. His skin turned yellow and, as the cancer spread, he began to succumb to dementia. He had 2 or 3 surgeries, but the cancer was too aggressive and they couldn't pin it down. It had spread much too far and much too rapidly and the doctors accepted that there was nothing more they could do. So, fitting the living room with a hospital bed, they simply sent him home to die.

The last night I saw him alive (if you can call it "living"), he had completely disconnected from the outside world. He simply stared off into space like a zombie and was unresponsive to everyone and everything. Even as my grandmother lay on the bed with her arms wrapped around him, he could do nothing but stare blankly at the ceiling and drool. Still being a firm believer at the time, I prayed to God to just kill him. To stop dragging it out and to just get it over with. No more than 6 hours later, my dad awoke me to inform me that he had finally died.

To my young, theistic mind, this was a sure confirmation that God had answered my heartfelt prayer and shown mercy on the old guy. I even flaunted the experience to atheists later on when they told me that God wouldn't go out of his way to work wonders for us humans. Their response was always the same. "He had been fighting cancer for months and was at the absolute end of his rope. It's a wonder he didn't die sooner." It pissed me off at the time, but they were absolutely right. The guy was a zombie. Cancer had consumed him like a...well, like a cancer. The fact that he was so close to death is why I prayed in the first place. The prayer was the result of his condition. Not the other way around.

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24-05-2013, 12:13 AM
RE: Please share the experience you had that solidified your belief in god.
**I began writing, but then I decided it wasn't fitting in this thread.

If you don't mind, blad3runn3r, I'm going to use THIS thread to make another thread that has a different take on this question Drinking Beverage

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24-05-2013, 12:26 AM
RE: Please share the experience you had that solidified your belief in god.
(23-05-2013 08:04 PM)blad3runn3r Wrote:  I just think its rather convenient that "god" only reveals itself to firm believers. Why not convince a non-beliver? I have been told that I need to look "harder" or have faith, so much work for me to do while "god" does nothing. Some experience(usually near-death) must have triggered this devout belief?

Yes, when I believed a couple times. In looking back it was obviously wishful thinking.


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24-05-2013, 06:26 AM
RE: Please share the experience you had that solidified your belief in god.
A combination of factors of which ego is the prime ingredient. Thumbsup

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24-05-2013, 11:31 AM
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(23-05-2013 11:48 PM)Misanthropik Wrote:  I think I've talked about this elsewhere, but it's whatever. I don't mind writing. Smile

When I was 15, my grandfather was dying of cancer. It began as a mysterious bout of "itching all over" while we were on (what would turn out to be our last) vacation in Ocean City, MD. He thought he was breaking out with some sort of allergy, so the relaxation was interrupted by a hasty trip to the hospital. Upon checking him out, they discovered that he had aggressive pancreatic cancer.

In the following months, his descent was rapid. His skin turned yellow and, as the cancer spread, he began to succumb to dementia. He had 2 or 3 surgeries, but the cancer was too aggressive and they couldn't pin it down. It had spread much too far and much too rapidly and the doctors accepted that there was nothing more they could do. So, fitting the living room with a hospital bed, they simply sent him home to die.

The last night I saw him alive (if you can call it "living"), he had completely disconnected from the outside world. He simply stared off into space like a zombie and was unresponsive to everyone and everything. Even as my grandmother lay on the bed with her arms wrapped around him, he could do nothing but stare blankly at the ceiling and drool. Still being a firm believer at the time, I prayed to God to just kill him. To stop dragging it out and to just get it over with. No more than 6 hours later, my dad awoke me to inform me that he had finally died.

To my young, theistic mind, this was a sure confirmation that God had answered my heartfelt prayer and shown mercy on the old guy. I even flaunted the experience to atheists later on when they told me that God wouldn't go out of his way to work wonders for us humans. Their response was always the same. "He had been fighting cancer for months and was at the absolute end of his rope. It's a wonder he didn't die sooner." It pissed me off at the time, but they were absolutely right. The guy was a zombie. Cancer had consumed him like a...well, like a cancer. The fact that he was so close to death is why I prayed in the first place. The prayer was the result of his condition. Not the other way around.

Thankyou for sharing your experience, it was very profound. When I was a "believer" I never truly saw or heard anything convincing enough to justify my belief, just coincidences that could be dismissed as such.
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24-05-2013, 11:35 AM
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(24-05-2013 12:13 AM)Peanut Wrote:  **I began writing, but then I decided it wasn't fitting in this thread.

If you don't mind, blad3runn3r, I'm going to use THIS thread to make another thread that has a different take on this question Drinking Beverage

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24-05-2013, 11:42 AM
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(23-05-2013 08:29 PM)evenheathen Wrote:  A couple of experiences did it for me. It's what they call "personal revelation". It was overwhelming and life changing, for the moment. I recall that all of these moments seemed to happen at camps, conventions or other events set up to emotionally manipulate the audience. Camps were the best, because you had a whole week of daily conditioning building up to the last night when the message and the music were the most stirring.

I was convinced that god reached out to me personally, until I grew up and thought about what the fuck was really going on and learned how easily we all can fall victim to the right circumstance.

People naturally gravitate to other people, we want to feel the energy from that group dynamic, its sad when thats exploited for profit or otherwise.
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24-05-2013, 01:17 PM
RE: Please share the experience you had that solidified your belief in god.
I read the Bible as an adult and was convicted of the honesty of its authors. I did pray to God to help me understand what I was reading.
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