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25-06-2012, 10:00 AM
RE: Pledge of Allegiance
Why do you even need the pledge of allegiance. It has a brainwash type of feel about it.

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25-06-2012, 10:09 AM
RE: Pledge of Allegiance
The same could be said of national anthems. "God save the Queen" from England sounds like the promotion of blind allegiance and I am sure most national anthems support the same type of message.

The pledge isn't really looked at by anyone I know as some type of blind allegiance proclamation (nor is the anthem), it is more so about the symbolism behind it. We support our country. That doesn't mean we agree with everything the US does.

It's kind of like supporting your favorite sports team. You will always defend them as "your" team, but that doesn't mean you don't criticize them at all. You can disagree with their latest draft pick or trade, but you still support them.

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25-06-2012, 10:59 AM
RE: Pledge of Allegiance
The pledge was originally written in 1891, by a Baptist Socialist named Francis Bellamy and does NOT contain the phrase 'under God' in the original form. This was an add-on by a act of Congress, sponsored the Knights of Columbus.

Of interest on this whole debate, while the United State's affiliation with God is not clearly demarked in our legal bodies of governance i.e. the Constitution, it does appear to be a popular and common notion about the reasons the country exists. Judging by the Declaration of Independence, the signers indicated that they felt it was the will of 'Divine Providence' that they separate their ties from England. Also the latin from the reverse of the Great Seal of The United States reading 'Annuit Coeptis Novus Ordo Seculorum (Divine Providence Approved, A New Order for the Ages). The phrase 'In God is our Trust' appears as early as 1814 in Francis Scott Key's The Star Spangled Banner, though this is not officially adopted as the National Anthem of the United States until 1931. Prior to that, the nation unofficially used My Country Tis of Thee, which contained the last stanza.

Our Father's God of Thee
Author of Liberty
To Thee We Sing
Long May Our Land be Bright
With Freedom's Holy Light
Protect us by Thy Might
Great God, our King

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25-06-2012, 11:10 AM
RE: Pledge of Allegiance
(25-06-2012 10:00 AM)FSM_scot Wrote:  Why do you even need the pledge of allegiance. It has a brainwash type of feel about it.
Here is something on the Bellamy Salute
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute


Done until the 1942. It was exactly similar to the nazi salute, showing it has its roots in the same nationalist obedience.

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25-06-2012, 12:56 PM
RE: Pledge of Allegiance
One Nation, flounder and cod, indivisible with liberty and fish sauce for all

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25-06-2012, 01:22 PM
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(25-06-2012 12:56 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  One Nation, flounder and cod, indivisible with liberty and fish sauce for all
I lobster and never flounder.

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25-06-2012, 01:30 PM
RE: Pledge of Allegiance
One of the great attributes Americans enjoy is the ability to create our own national mythology and believe it.

With that in mind, I’d like to offer the following quiz (no cheating!):

1. When was the Pledge of Allegiance first introduced?

A. 1776
B. 1812
C. 1865
D. 1892

2. Who penned the Pledge?

A. Thomas Jefferson
B. Betsy Ross
C. Francis Scott Key
D. Francis Bellamy

3. What was the motivation for the Pledge?

A. To encourage nationalism
B. To sell flags and magazines to school children
C. Neither A or B
D. Both A and B

4. The original Pledge contained the words “under god” in it

A. True
B. False

5. If you answered “False” in what year was “under god” added to the pledge?

A. 1954
B. 1904
C. 1850
D. 1866

6. In what year did the United States Congress officially recognize the pledge?

A. 1776
B. 1865
C. 1918
D. 1942

7. Are grade school children required to say the pledge every morning?

A. Yes
B. No

8. If you answered “No” why are they not?

A. Because of atheists
B. Because the pledge offended religious convictions
C. This is America, people are not compelled to say pledges
D. I admit it, I don’t know why not

9. The author of the Pledge was a socialist?

A. True
B. False

10. As recently as 2009, a teacher berated a 13 year old girl and had school police remove her from the classroom for refusing to recite the pledge.

A. True
B. False

Answers:
1. D
2. D
3. D
4. B
5. A
6. D
7. B
8. B
9. A
10. A

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25-06-2012, 01:52 PM
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I like to tell people sarcastically "One nation, under god - since 1954."
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25-06-2012, 03:37 PM
RE: Pledge of Allegiance
I'm so damn anti-social that I won't even sing "Happy Birthday" with a group.
Pledge an Allegiance to a Flag, or any group identity is just not going to happen. Forget the "under god" part.
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25-06-2012, 03:52 PM
RE: Pledge of Allegiance
(25-06-2012 03:37 PM)Thomas Wrote:  I'm so damn anti-social that I won't even sing "Happy Birthday" with a group.
Pledge an Allegiance to a Flag, or any group identity is just not going to happen. Forget the "under god" part.
I'll march to my own drum beat. Thanks! Drinking Beverage

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