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01-06-2017, 12:12 PM
RE: Political correctness?
I don't care as much about the idea of offending people as I do about not reinforcing or normalizing behavior that further marginalizes minorities.

I don't like the idea of offending people who are already marginalized, though. Being offended sucks. It can really fuck up your mood and more. But the bigger problem is reinforcing misogynistic/racism/homophobic/transphobic/ableist/whatever memes that lead to systematic discrimination. Nobody enjoys being offended, and nobody is immune from being offended. But simply being offended doesn't mean oppression. But casual racism/homophobia/misogyny/etc. can lead to oppression, or can be simply another paper-cut in the life of an oppressed person. Either way, I'm not looking to make life harder for oppressed people, and I don't particularly appreciate people doing that for me.
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01-06-2017, 01:09 PM
RE: Political correctness?
(01-06-2017 12:12 PM)Emma Wrote:  I don't care as much about the idea of offending people as I do about not reinforcing or normalizing behavior that further marginalizes minorities.

I don't like the idea of offending people who are already marginalized, though. Being offended sucks. It can really fuck up your mood and more. But the bigger problem is reinforcing misogynistic/racism/homophobic/transphobic/ableist/whatever memes that lead to systematic discrimination. Nobody enjoys being offended, and nobody is immune from being offended. But simply being offended doesn't mean oppression. But casual racism/homophobia/misogyny/etc. can lead to oppression, or can be simply another paper-cut in the life of an oppressed person. Either way, I'm not looking to make life harder for oppressed people, and I don't particularly appreciate people doing that for me.

There is a rise on the right where more of the far right has felt empowered by the Trump win, but in the longer context, the far right absolutely flipped out upon Obama's first win. The rise in hate groups went through the roof.

Trump is allowing that far right to feel it can normalize its bigotry, I agree.

But again, in fighting that trend, we have to be careful of allowing them to falsely play victim and not allow them to turn around and say, "If I cant say this then you also cant say this" and right now considering the balance of power, we need to be careful how we fight it.

I have noticed a very vile long term tactic by the right, when they know they are losing and know they are on the wrong side of history, they project and accuse us of what they are doing themselves.

I want to make it easier for marginalized minorities too.

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01-06-2017, 01:29 PM
RE: Political correctness?
(31-05-2017 04:59 PM)cactus Wrote:  Culture IS appropriation, btw. That's pretty much all culture is. lol

It's certainly what 90% of US culture is.

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01-06-2017, 01:48 PM
RE: Political correctness?
(31-05-2017 06:23 PM)epronovost Wrote:  
(31-05-2017 04:41 PM)Dr H Wrote:  Portland burrito shop, run by two white women, closes amidst allegations of cultural appropriation:

"There’s really nothing special about opening a Mexican restaurant—it’s probably something that happens everyday. But the owners of Kooks Burritos all but admitted in an interview with Willamette Week that they colonized this style of food when they decided to 'pick the brains of every tortilla lady there in the worst broken Spanish ever.'"

Can't wait for them to go after all the pizzerias that aren't being run by Italians from lower Manhattan.

I think you just ran into another one of those fake story about multiculturalism. These are so numerous these days. I have become very skeptical of any claim of people or business being sued or closed due to such kind of issue. Your source has retracted itself and declared the story bullshit.

How many of you had serious doubt about this story?

The Mercury may have backed off, but they're neither the first, nor the only source to report on this. I don't think you know Portland:

http://www.wweek.com/uncategorized/2017/...ar-chavez/

https://mic.com/articles/177642/these-wh....t6QBWJ9Xx

http://www.snopes.com/2017/05/26/cultura...rito-shop/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/food...7caa505866

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/port...f96a348181

https://munchies.vice.com/en_us/article/...nd-closure

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...=174798727

https://www.tastingtable.com/dine/nation...urant-list

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01-06-2017, 01:58 PM
RE: Political correctness?
(01-06-2017 06:45 AM)Vera Wrote:  And is it okay to ask a woman if she intends to have children and not hire her because of this?

No, it's not OK.

Neither is it OK to ask a job applicant if they're male, and deny them employment on that basis.

In fact, in the US, it is illegal: gender is a protected class.
Not any particular gender, just "gender".

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01-06-2017, 02:06 PM
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(01-06-2017 10:07 AM)Brian37 Wrote:  North Korea is what political correctness looks like.

Yep.

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01-06-2017, 02:12 PM
RE: Political correctness?
(01-06-2017 10:27 AM)Emma Wrote:  Name something that can't fail. Name a better and more effective tool to help the marginalized.

Actions that create opportunities and increase inclusiveness; not philosophies that limit speech or cultural mingling.

Diversity is not achieved by throwing up barriers around cultures and limiting access to heredity.

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01-06-2017, 02:29 PM
RE: Political correctness?
(01-06-2017 02:12 PM)Dr H Wrote:  
(01-06-2017 10:27 AM)Emma Wrote:  Name something that can't fail. Name a better and more effective tool to help the marginalized.

Actions that create opportunities and increase inclusiveness; not philosophies that limit speech or cultural mingling.

Diversity is not achieved by throwing up barriers around cultures and limiting access to heredity.

Please be more specific. What actions?
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01-06-2017, 02:35 PM
RE: Political correctness?
(01-06-2017 02:29 PM)Emma Wrote:  Please be more specific.

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01-06-2017, 02:39 PM
RE: Political correctness?
It can be useful to be offended. If you see or hear something that deeply offends you, sure, be pissed off, experience that reaction and emotion. Then ask yourself WHY you were so offended. It may be that the lens you were viewing the issue through was faulty somehow. Opinions I've had that I've been challenged on and had to defend are more important to me in the long run.
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