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30-10-2016, 05:34 PM (This post was last modified: 30-10-2016 05:40 PM by Full Circle.)
Poll: Cowboys and Indians
What do you think is the reason for the difference in approach by law enforcement to the Oregon/Bundy armed standoff and the Dakota pipeline standoff?

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30-10-2016, 05:54 PM
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I thought this was about am I gonna watch the Cowboys-Eagles or the Cubs-Indians.

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30-10-2016, 06:05 PM
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(30-10-2016 05:54 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  I thought this was about am I gonna watch the Cowboys-Eagles or the Cubs-Indians.

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30-10-2016, 06:42 PM
RE: Poll: Cowboys and Indians
Scale of trespassing involved, the Oregon facility being closed at the time and there being no reason to risk escalation in the short term with the threat contained and under siege, as compared to the Standing Rock protests, which are immediately disruptive to the interests of pretty much every leverage holding entity involved and have the potential to quickly grow and escalate.

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30-10-2016, 06:48 PM
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(30-10-2016 06:42 PM)yakherder Wrote:  Scale of trespassing involved, the Oregon facility being closed at the time and there being no reason to risk escalation in the short term with the threat contained and under siege, as compared to the Standing Rock protests, which are immediately disruptive to the interests of pretty much every leverage holding entity involved and have the potential to quickly grow and escalate.

It closed because no one would go to work because they afraid in Oregon.

The native Americans are trying to protect the river that supplies their water. From what I read the pipeline didn't have to take the route they decided to take, there's been zero due process for them -- close to their reservation. The government also assured them long ago, their former land wouldn't be disturbed.

They also aren't the ones with guns.

So there's that.


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30-10-2016, 07:13 PM
RE: Poll: Cowboys and Indians
(30-10-2016 05:34 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  What do you think is the reason for the difference in approach by law enforcement to the Oregon/Bundy armed standoff and the Dakota pipeline standoff?

I'm going to take a wild stab at this. Money? Consider

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30-10-2016, 07:23 PM
RE: Poll: Cowboys and Indians
The Dakota Pipeline protesters were removed last week.
The public is shocked with the verdict ... they won't get off in Nevada.

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30-10-2016, 08:32 PM
RE: Poll: Cowboys and Indians
(30-10-2016 07:13 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(30-10-2016 05:34 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  What do you think is the reason for the difference in approach by law enforcement to the Oregon/Bundy armed standoff and the Dakota pipeline standoff?

I'm going to take a wild stab at this. Money? Consider

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30-10-2016, 08:42 PM
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(30-10-2016 06:48 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(30-10-2016 06:42 PM)yakherder Wrote:  Scale of trespassing involved, the Oregon facility being closed at the time and there being no reason to risk escalation in the short term with the threat contained and under siege, as compared to the Standing Rock protests, which are immediately disruptive to the interests of pretty much every leverage holding entity involved and have the potential to quickly grow and escalate.

It closed because no one would go to work because they afraid in Oregon.

The native Americans are trying to protect the river that supplies their water. From what I read the pipeline didn't have to take the route they decided to take, there's been zero due process for them -- close to their reservation. The government also assured them long ago, their former land wouldn't be disturbed.

They also aren't the ones with guns.

So there's that.

The one thing both had in common is they lasted as long as they did only because of the restraint showed by the authorities. Either could have been swiftly crushed.

As for the pipeline protests, while I sympathize with their bigger picture situation and the past that lead us to this point, there was in fact due process, and it happened before the protests started. All relevant private land owners agreed. Where relevant, Standing Rock representatives agreed. Then after the substantial investments had been made, machinery put in place, workers hired, etc, then suddenly they decided they had a problem with it and sympathy spread like wildfire. The route chosen was chosen because there are already gas pipelines along a significant portion of it.

On a sidenote, I'm just as tired of irrational native superstition being a relevant factor as I am of Abrahamic superstition.

There isn't a single person here who is not absolutely dependent on the flow of resources like oil, and getting out from under the thumb of places like Saudi Arabia means developing what we've got to the point where it becomes economically viable.

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30-10-2016, 08:43 PM
RE: Poll: Cowboys and Indians
(30-10-2016 05:34 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  What do you think is the reason for the difference in approach by law enforcement to the Oregon/Bundy armed standoff and the Dakota pipeline standoff?

White people with guns are never considered terrorists.

Minorities without guns are shot for having broken tail lights.

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