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06-02-2016, 11:33 AM
Pope's Committee on Sex Abuse forces out Victims' Advocate
In an effort to continue to be tough on the issue of institutional sex abuse:

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Quote:VATICAN CITY (AP) -- Pope Francis' sex abuse advisory committee voted Saturday to sideline one of its members, a high-profile abuse survivor who had clashed with the commission over its mission.

Peter Saunders, a British advocate for victims, had been highly critical of the Vatican's slow pace of progress in taking measures to protect children and punish bishops who covered up for pedophile priests. He had also wanted the commission to intervene immediately in individual cases, rather than just craft long-term policies to fight abuse.

During a commission meeting Saturday, "it was decided that Mr. Peter Saunders would take a leave of absence from his membership to consider how he might best support the commission's work," the Vatican said.

The decision is a blow to Francis' efforts to show that he is tough on abuse, since the presence of Saunders and another abuse survivor, Marie Collins, had given the commission credibility.

Wonder if this story will get as many headlines and as much press as when the committee was formed. Highly unlikely.

Saunders said:
Quote:... the Vatican's inaction in the face of continuing cases of children being raped and molested "made me lose faith in the process and lose faith in Pope Francis."

What measures need to be taken? Seriously? If you need an employer to have a policy regarding child molestation, you are one seriously fucked up individual.

Most people, if they were aware of any form of child abuse, if they suspected any form of child abuse, would at the very least, CONTACT THE FUCKING AUTHORITIES!!!

If you know that your coworker is raping little kids, do you need a set of guidelines from your boss on how to handle it???

I'm going to go vomit now

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06-02-2016, 12:34 PM
RE: Pope's Committee on Sex Abuse forces out Victims' Advocate
(06-02-2016 11:33 AM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  ...
If you know that your coworker is raping little kids, do you need a set of guidelines from your boss on how to handle it???
...

Depends.

If you work in an environment where corruption or abuse (or some other behaviour that's contrary to your personal ethics) is the norm, i.e. part of the culture, then you have a lot to risk/lose.

The guidelines, perhaps, could explain how best to go about blowing the whistle whilst avoiding potential backlash.

If you work in an environment where these things are not normal, the process should be more obvious ... so much so that it should not have to be documented.

Given that... What does that tell us about their culture?

Consider

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06-02-2016, 03:30 PM
RE: Pope's Committee on Sex Abuse forces out Victims' Advocate
(06-02-2016 12:34 PM)DLJ Wrote:  
(06-02-2016 11:33 AM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  ...
If you know that your coworker is raping little kids, do you need a set of guidelines from your boss on how to handle it???
...

Depends.

If you work in an environment where corruption or abuse (or some other behaviour that's contrary to your personal ethics) is the norm, i.e. part of the culture, then you have a lot to risk/lose.

The guidelines, perhaps, could explain how best to go about blowing the whistle whilst avoiding potential backlash.

If you work in an environment where these things are not normal, the process should be more obvious ... so much so that it should not have to be documented.

Given that... What does that tell us about their culture?

Consider

A lot.

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09-02-2016, 09:05 AM
RE: Pope's Committee on Sex Abuse forces out Victims' Advocate
UPDATE:
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Quote:A British paedophilia survivor who has been asked to step down from a Vatican panel on the issue told AFP on Monday that he felt betrayed by Pope Francis.

"Of course Pope Francis has established he is part of the problem," Peter Saunders said in an interview with AFPTV, during which he insisted he had not resigned and that only the pontiff himself could force him to quit the Vatican commission.
Despite media reports that he resigned, the article quotes Saunders as saying that he was removed by the pope. The move was prompted by disagreements over the panel's involvement in active cases.

Despite the church's claims to the contrary, pedophilia is still ongoing as are the cover-ups. The panel is aware of the problem and is not doing anything except remain silent.

My question is this: When does the church's actions fall under the organized crime laws? There are specific laws in the US that are written to deal with organized crime syndicates. By condoning and covering up pedophilia, the church is operating a pedophilia ring.

If this was any other corporation, subpoenas would be issued, clergy indicted and assets and property seized.

Figure the odds that it will happen to the church.

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09-02-2016, 09:46 AM
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Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chosae.
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10-02-2016, 09:56 AM
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I am no expert on this, but it seems to me the big legal issue is the short statute of limitations which is typically so short there is not much that can be legally done when (and if) survivors finally emerge from their ordeal with the strength to do something. Think about it, if the statute of limitations were longer, cardinal Law could have been indicted as an accessory for the cover ups. That would have been sweet... It is only when cardinals and bishops and the pope can be indicted, that their personal fear of jail will make them finally do something about it. It is readily apparent that fear of shame and empathy for the victims are not enough to motivate them to do something about the problem.
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10-02-2016, 11:46 AM
RE: Pope's Committee on Sex Abuse forces out Victims' Advocate
Pope Frank, the Full of Shit.

Not exactly news.

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