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27-09-2015, 12:06 AM
RE: Pope's visit
(26-09-2015 09:15 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  ...
This Pope specialises in platitudes; saying things that sounds good and make him and his racquet look good, but are really not all that meaningful.
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Rule #1 when presenting ... know your audience.

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27-09-2015, 01:04 AM (This post was last modified: 27-09-2015 02:37 PM by Mark Fulton.)
RE: Pope's visit
Money, Money, Money

Throughout history the Vatican has tried many tricks to convince, impress, and make money from people. They have employed the world’s best architects, artists and composers to create the impression of their Church’s grandeur, with overpowering edifices, music that can move one to tears, and stupendous sculptures and beautiful paintings. These things may be magnificent, and the world would be a poorer place without them, yet they add nothing to the veracity of the Bible, or to validate God’s existence. Some of the world’s most fraudulent fiends own palaces and awesome art collections.

Ever since the Middle Ages, the Vatican’s worldwide properties and other investments have surpassed the scale of nearly every other business in the world. The Vatican’s finances are very complex and not transparent, because the Vatican bank is not required to pay tax or fill out a tax return. The money comes in from the world’s share markets, businesses, and government taxes, thousands of dioceses, and religious foundations linked to the papal state. Some commentators estimate the Vatican’s liquid assets to be worth over 50 billion US dollars, and that is very likely a conservative figure. There are also probably hundreds of billions of dollars hoarded away in real estate and works of art. That, most would say, is not excusable from an organization preaching charity and humility.

It is a remarkable fact that much of the enormous wealth the Vatican owns today was originally obtained from taxpaying Italian and German citizens in the 1930’s and 40’s. People in those days in Europe were more likely to listen to priests, and their priests told them how to vote. The Vatican got into bed with Mussolini and Hitler in deals that swapped cash for endorsement. This is one of the reasons why the Vatican was loath to criticize Hitler. It has been argued that the Second World War may never have happened without the Vatican’s support for these fascist regimes.

After the war the Vatican helped hundreds of key Nazis escape Germany in return for large cash payments.

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmNbecu1V6I http://www.cai.org/bible-studies/vatican-billions http://www.chick.com/reading/books/153/153_10.asp http://www.excatholicsforchrist.com/arti...nances.htm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di04_vKfqNw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskonkordat http://historyannex.com/20th-century-Eur...-accords.)

Ever since the 1950’s, right up to present times, the Vatican bank has had to fight off accusations of money laundering and deals with shady characters such as men from the Mafia. Pope Francis is allegedly trying to do something about this.

Today’s Catholics should be aware of one scam that has put much money in the Vatican’s coffers: canonizing saints. Throughout history the grounds for beatification have been theatrical. Kings, queens, the nobility, warlords and soldiers were sanctified as saints whenever it suited the Vatican. Ignacio de Loyola with his army of Jesuits, Domingo de Guzman and his Dominican friars, and Jose M Escriva, who founded Opus Dei, each started societies that helped fill Catholic coffers, and have been beatified for their efforts, as if a hypothetical god could care less about a corporation’s annual profit!

The late Pope John Paul II was history’s greatest saint-maker; 484 new saints appeared during his papacy. All other popes in the twentieth century canonized a total of only ninety-eight. New saints keep the cash registers sizzling hot.

Canonizations mean television rights, free advertising, visits to shrines, book sales, memento sales etc. People like saints, even if they do not like their priests, bishops, or their pope, and are gullible enough to subsidize the Vatican for creating them. John Paul became a saint himself in April 2014.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_(World_War_II
http://www.voxfux.com/features/vaticanmurder.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23621235)

In centuries past, the Vatican made a fortune trafficking indulgences; today they are doing the same selling saints.

The true size of the Vatican’s gravy train will one day be made public, Catholics will be shocked, public relations people will be worked hard, but the greedy men at the center of one of the world’s longest-running scams will have few places to hide.
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27-09-2015, 02:27 AM
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(26-09-2015 10:10 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(26-09-2015 09:16 PM)Banjo Wrote:  Yakherder's got loads of guns.....

Do I smell a TTA plan in the making? Wink

He has some cool ones, but I believe I have more. Drinking Beverage

Okay, you're the shooter! Wink

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27-09-2015, 02:33 AM
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(27-09-2015 01:04 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  Money, Money, Money

Throughout history the Vatican has tried many tricks to convince, impress, and make money from people. They have employed the world’s best architects, artists and composers to create the impression of their Church’s grandeur, with overpowering edifices, music that can move one to tears, and stupendous sculptures and beautiful paintings. These things may be magnificent, and the world would be a poorer place without them, yet they add nothing to the veracity of the Bible, or to validate God’s existence. Some of the world’s most fraudulent fiends own palaces and awesome art collections.

Ever since the Middle Ages, the Vatican’s worldwide properties and other investments have surpassed the scale of nearly every other business in the world. The Vatican’s finances are very complex and not transparent, because the Vatican bank is not required to pay tax or fill out a tax return. The money comes in from the world’s share markets, businesses, and government taxes, thousands of dioceses, and religious foundations linked to the papal state. Some commentators estimate the Vatican’s liquid assets to be worth over 50 billion US dollars, and that is very likely a conservative figure. There are also probably hundreds of billions of dollars hoarded away in real estate and works of art. That, most would say, is not excusable from an organization preaching charity and humility.

It is a remarkable fact that much of the enormous wealth the Vatican owns today was originally obtained from taxpaying Italian and German citizens in the 1930’s and 40’s. People in those days in Europe were more likely to listen to priests, and their priests told them how to vote. The Vatican got into bed with Mussolini and Hitler in deals that swapped cash for endorsement. This is one of the reasons why the Vatican was loath to criticize Hitler. It has been argued that the Second World War may never have happened without the Vatican’s support for these fascist regimes.

After the war the Vatican helped hundreds of key Nazis escape Germany in return for large cash payments.

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmNbecu1V6I http://www.cai.org/bible-studies/vatican-billions http://www.chick.com/reading/books/153/153_10.asp http://www.excatholicsforchrist.com/arti...nances.htm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di04_vKfqNw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskonkordat http://historyannex.com/20th-century-Eur...-accords.)

Ever since the 1950’s, right up to present times, the Vatican bank has had to fight off accusations of money laundering and deals with shady characters such as men from the Mafia. Pope Francis is allegedly trying to do something about this.

Today’s Catholics should be aware of one scam that has put much money in the Vatican’s coffers: canonizing saints. Throughout history the grounds for beatification have been theatrical. Kings, queens, the nobility, warlords and soldiers were sanctified as saints whenever it suited the Vatican. Ignacio de Loyola with his army of Jesuits, Domingo de Guzman and his Dominican friars, and Jose M Escriva, who founded Opus Dei, each started societies that helped fill Catholic coffers, and have been beatified for their efforts, as if a hypothetical god could care less about a corporation’s annual profit!

The late Pope John Paul II was history’s greatest saint-maker; 484 new saints appeared during his papacy. All other popes in the twentieth century canonized a total of only ninety-eight. New saints keep the cash registers sizzling hot.

Canonizations mean television rights, free advertising, visits to shrines, book sales, memento sales etc. People like saints, even if they do not like their priests, bishops, or their pope, and are gullible enough to subsidize the Vatican for creating them. John Paul became a saint himself in April 2014.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_(World_War_II
http://www.voxfux.com/features/vaticanmurder.html 370 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23621235)

In centuries past, the Vatican made a fortune trafficking indulgences; today they are doing the same selling saints.

The true size of the Vatican’s gravy train will one day be made public, Catholics will be shocked, public relations people will be worked hard, but the greedy men at the center of one of the world’s longest-running scams will have few places to hide.


Mark, have you read this? If not I highly recommend it.

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27-09-2015, 11:51 AM
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(27-09-2015 01:04 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  Money, Money, Money

Throughout history the Vatican has tried many tricks to convince, impress, and make money from people. They have employed the world’s best architects, artists and composers to create the impression of their Church’s grandeur, with overpowering edifices, music that can move one to tears, and stupendous sculptures and beautiful paintings. These things may be magnificent, and the world would be a poorer place without them, yet they add nothing to the veracity of the Bible, or to validate God’s existence. Some of the world’s most fraudulent fiends own palaces and awesome art collections.

Ever since the Middle Ages, the Vatican’s worldwide properties and other investments have surpassed the scale of nearly every other business in the world. The Vatican’s finances are very complex and not transparent, because the Vatican bank is not required to pay tax or fill out a tax return. The money comes in from the world’s share markets, businesses, and government taxes, thousands of dioceses, and religious foundations linked to the papal state. Some commentators estimate the Vatican’s liquid assets to be worth over 50 billion US dollars, and that is very likely a conservative figure. There are also probably hundreds of billions of dollars hoarded away in real estate and works of art. That, most would say, is not excusable from an organization preaching charity and humility.

It is a remarkable fact that much of the enormous wealth the Vatican owns today was originally obtained from taxpaying Italian and German citizens in the 1930’s and 40’s. People in those days in Europe were more likely to listen to priests, and their priests told them how to vote. The Vatican got into bed with Mussolini and Hitler in deals that swapped cash for endorsement. This is one of the reasons why the Vatican was loath to criticize Hitler. It has been argued that the Second World War may never have happened without the Vatican’s support for these fascist regimes.

After the war the Vatican helped hundreds of key Nazis escape Germany in return for large cash payments.

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmNbecu1V6I http://www.cai.org/bible-studies/vatican-billions http://www.chick.com/reading/books/153/153_10.asp http://www.excatholicsforchrist.com/arti...nances.htm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di04_vKfqNw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskonkordat http://historyannex.com/20th-century-Eur...-accords.)

Ever since the 1950’s, right up to present times, the Vatican bank has had to fight off accusations of money laundering and deals with shady characters such as men from the Mafia. Pope Francis is allegedly trying to do something about this.

Today’s Catholics should be aware of one scam that has put much money in the Vatican’s coffers: canonizing saints. Throughout history the grounds for beatification have been theatrical. Kings, queens, the nobility, warlords and soldiers were sanctified as saints whenever it suited the Vatican. Ignacio de Loyola with his army of Jesuits, Domingo de Guzman and his Dominican friars, and Jose M Escriva, who founded Opus Dei, each started societies that helped fill Catholic coffers, and have been beatified for their efforts, as if a hypothetical god could care less about a corporation’s annual profit!

The late Pope John Paul II was history’s greatest saint-maker; 484 new saints appeared during his papacy. All other popes in the twentieth century canonized a total of only ninety-eight. New saints keep the cash registers sizzling hot.

Canonizations mean television rights, free advertising, visits to shrines, book sales, memento sales etc. People like saints, even if they do not like their priests, bishops, or their pope, and are gullible enough to subsidize the Vatican for creating them. John Paul became a saint himself in April 2014.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_(World_War_II
http://www.voxfux.com/features/vaticanmurder.html 370 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23621235)

In centuries past, the Vatican made a fortune trafficking indulgences; today they are doing the same selling saints.

The true size of the Vatican’s gravy train will one day be made public, Catholics will be shocked, public relations people will be worked hard, but the greedy men at the center of one of the world’s longest-running scams will have few places to hide.

Ramen to this! I fired up a guy on another forum when he kept pushing the RCC, and laid some of what you have posted on him. Such a crooked bunch, on so many levels. I told my wife about the money laundering and she was pretty upset- still a Catholic, she holds these people up in a good light.
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27-09-2015, 12:06 PM (This post was last modified: 27-09-2015 12:12 PM by yakherder.)
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(26-09-2015 10:10 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(26-09-2015 09:16 PM)Banjo Wrote:  Yakherder's got loads of guns.....

Do I smell a TTA plan in the making? Wink

He has some cool ones, but I believe I have more. Drinking Beverage

Yes

I've only got two decked out guns. The Vector and the M4. And if I didn't have a specific need to stay proficient on the M4, I'd probably get rid of it or replace it with something more practical. I still haven't got around to purchasing the VP9 yet. What I do have is a metric shitload of ammunition.

Edit: Correction, 3. Sometimes I forget about the AK because I hardly ever use it. I'm pretty sure it's a knockoff. Sentimental value. When shit hits the fan I probably won't even take it with me.

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27-09-2015, 12:16 PM
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(26-09-2015 08:44 PM)Fireball Wrote:  Subsequent to the pope's visit to America, I have this observation, based on my local paper's reporting. The pope told the American public that we should "share the wealth". Insulting to anyone with a brain. I'll support the RCC's request to "share the wealth" right after the last gold plated trinket and fabulous painting on its walls has been sold to finance said "sharing". I give to charitable causes like Kiva already, but the pope's statement kind of chaps my hide, based on the hypocrisy factor. How do you read that statement by the pope?

I think this pope is more of what a pope should be, however, he is still a wolf in sheeps clothing, the elected leader of a theological group, who upon election suddenly has the ear of god, and is infallible in regards to theological matters....yeah......and what sickens me is how the worlds leaders lined up like good little boys and girls to kiss the ring....which sends the message they they defer to him....an elected theological leader...and no one has a problem with that.

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27-09-2015, 02:39 PM
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(27-09-2015 02:33 AM)Banjo Wrote:  
(27-09-2015 01:04 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  Money, Money, Money

Throughout history the Vatican has tried many tricks to convince, impress, and make money from people. They have employed the world’s best architects, artists and composers to create the impression of their Church’s grandeur, with overpowering edifices, music that can move one to tears, and stupendous sculptures and beautiful paintings. These things may be magnificent, and the world would be a poorer place without them, yet they add nothing to the veracity of the Bible, or to validate God’s existence. Some of the world’s most fraudulent fiends own palaces and awesome art collections.

Ever since the Middle Ages, the Vatican’s worldwide properties and other investments have surpassed the scale of nearly every other business in the world. The Vatican’s finances are very complex and not transparent, because the Vatican bank is not required to pay tax or fill out a tax return. The money comes in from the world’s share markets, businesses, and government taxes, thousands of dioceses, and religious foundations linked to the papal state. Some commentators estimate the Vatican’s liquid assets to be worth over 50 billion US dollars, and that is very likely a conservative figure. There are also probably hundreds of billions of dollars hoarded away in real estate and works of art. That, most would say, is not excusable from an organization preaching charity and humility.

It is a remarkable fact that much of the enormous wealth the Vatican owns today was originally obtained from taxpaying Italian and German citizens in the 1930’s and 40’s. People in those days in Europe were more likely to listen to priests, and their priests told them how to vote. The Vatican got into bed with Mussolini and Hitler in deals that swapped cash for endorsement. This is one of the reasons why the Vatican was loath to criticize Hitler. It has been argued that the Second World War may never have happened without the Vatican’s support for these fascist regimes.

After the war the Vatican helped hundreds of key Nazis escape Germany in return for large cash payments.

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmNbecu1V6I http://www.cai.org/bible-studies/vatican-billions http://www.chick.com/reading/books/153/153_10.asp http://www.excatholicsforchrist.com/arti...nances.htm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di04_vKfqNw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskonkordat http://historyannex.com/20th-century-Eur...-accords.)

Ever since the 1950’s, right up to present times, the Vatican bank has had to fight off accusations of money laundering and deals with shady characters such as men from the Mafia. Pope Francis is allegedly trying to do something about this.

Today’s Catholics should be aware of one scam that has put much money in the Vatican’s coffers: canonizing saints. Throughout history the grounds for beatification have been theatrical. Kings, queens, the nobility, warlords and soldiers were sanctified as saints whenever it suited the Vatican. Ignacio de Loyola with his army of Jesuits, Domingo de Guzman and his Dominican friars, and Jose M Escriva, who founded Opus Dei, each started societies that helped fill Catholic coffers, and have been beatified for their efforts, as if a hypothetical god could care less about a corporation’s annual profit!

The late Pope John Paul II was history’s greatest saint-maker; 484 new saints appeared during his papacy. All other popes in the twentieth century canonized a total of only ninety-eight. New saints keep the cash registers sizzling hot.

Canonizations mean television rights, free advertising, visits to shrines, book sales, memento sales etc. People like saints, even if they do not like their priests, bishops, or their pope, and are gullible enough to subsidize the Vatican for creating them. John Paul became a saint himself in April 2014.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_(World_War_II
http://www.voxfux.com/features/vaticanmurder.html 370 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23621235)

In centuries past, the Vatican made a fortune trafficking indulgences; today they are doing the same selling saints.

The true size of the Vatican’s gravy train will one day be made public, Catholics will be shocked, public relations people will be worked hard, but the greedy men at the center of one of the world’s longest-running scams will have few places to hide.


Mark, have you read this? If not I highly recommend it.

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No, I haven't read it. But I will. ThanksBig Grin
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