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31-05-2016, 10:25 AM
RE: Porn Viewing Preachers & Christians
I saw many people really down on themselves over something that is natural. It's a cycle of release/GUILT/shame. The women feel betrayed because the man is committing Mental Adultery. Women sink into depression when told by the Husband or is found out.

I Started to think it was morally wrong and went 53 days without release until I read a medical post that said that not spilling ones seed for a year or longer could lead to buildup which could cause problem with the Prostate gland.
So these Christian Pastors telling their Single and Married men it's an abomination is bogus. They are trying to undo what their Creator programmed their bodies to naturally do.
Otherwise Paul the Apostle wouldn't of been feeling Guilty about his member and Dual nature.

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31-05-2016, 10:48 AM
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(30-05-2016 10:14 PM)CyberHound Wrote:  They don't seem to understand and accept that Humans are Sexual Beings...with a "Dual Nature" ...to do Good and do Bad. We are both Yin and Yang
Owning sex is like a form of mind control. Telling you when you can do it, when you can't. Who you can do it with, under what circumstances, what positions, etc. Make a person feel like they need to be forgiven for being their natural selves. Make a person feel guilty. Make those people think you (the church) are the only one who can lead them on the right path, or forgive them for sinning. Blah, it's a nice scheme (as in, it's effective).

But aside from that, when are we Yin? When are we Yang? When are we bad? What is good? What is bad? Is selfishness bad? Is lust? Is pride? Sometimes? Always? I find it subjective (i.e. subjective morality). Religion has probably convinced many, even those that aren't religious, that certain things are inherently "bad" or "wrong".

It's hard to break free of a mindset you've held for a very long time though.

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31-05-2016, 11:33 AM
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(31-05-2016 10:48 AM)Adrianime Wrote:  
(30-05-2016 10:14 PM)CyberHound Wrote:  They don't seem to understand and accept that Humans are Sexual Beings...with a "Dual Nature" ...to do Good and do Bad. We are both Yin and Yang
Owning sex is like a form of mind control. Telling you when you can do it, when you can't. Who you can do it with, under what circumstances, what positions, etc. Make a person feel like they need to be forgiven for being their natural selves. Make a person feel guilty. Make those people think you (the church) are the only one who can lead them on the right path, or forgive them for sinning. Blah, it's a nice scheme (as in, it's effective).

But aside from that, when are we Yin? When are we Yang? When are we bad? What is good? What is bad? Is selfishness bad? Is lust? Is pride? Sometimes? Always? I find it subjective (i.e. subjective morality). Religion has probably convinced many, even those that aren't religious, that certain things are inherently "bad" or "wrong".

It's hard to break free of a mindset you've held for a very long time though.

Yin/Yang is just just my understanding of Dual Nature. There is Day/Night, Happy/Sad, Hot/Cold, Free/Enslaved, and Good/Bad.

The Good & Bad is interpreted by the Religious as one thing and the the Freethinker another concept. Regardless if you are Religious or not...some People intentionally take advantage of others by stealing or causing some kind of physical harm...is that Good?...or Bad?...or what do you call it.

The Zen Buddhist would say Bad and the person was out of balance with their inner Yin and Yang.

So as I understand this...in Atheism there is No Good or Bad?...not even subject to Societies laws?

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31-05-2016, 11:56 AM
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Oh joy, the Big M...my most awkward thing in Confession.

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31-05-2016, 11:59 AM
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(31-05-2016 11:33 AM)CyberHound Wrote:  So as I understand this...in Atheism there is No Good or Bad?...not even subject to Societies laws?

Atheism is not accepting the claim that a god exists; it doesn't offer any sort of guidance on morality or any issue apart from the single question of the existence of a deity.

How atheists determine right from wrong, good from bad, etc will depend on the specific atheist in question. For many, if not most, some degree of secular humanism provides the basis but that is certainly not universal.

For myself, questions like whether selfishness, lust, pride, etc are good or bad are meaningless without context. Given any act I need to look at what benefits come from it and what harms does it cause to others, animals, and/or the environment before I could even begin to judge it as good or bad and to what degree.

Religion creates a warped perspective on morality by claiming that some acts offend a god and can then use guilt over perfectly normal (and generally harmless) things like masturbation that they know people will engage it to exert control over them. The harm being done is pretty much exclusively on the religion side and a big part of why I consider religion to an evil institution.

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31-05-2016, 12:14 PM
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(31-05-2016 09:57 AM)CyberHound Wrote:  
(31-05-2016 07:41 AM)Chas Wrote:  Why is this in PI&S?

I put the post in here because Sexual GUILT due to Religion or Christianity is a Personal issue for many that causes depression and didn't know where else to post it.

Sorry if I posted in the wrong section. Health and Psychology may have been the better option. My apologies.

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31-05-2016, 12:51 PM
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Why are we horny and want to have orgasms? Because if we didn't we would be an evolutionary dead end. Of course there is no mechanism built in to us, so that once we have passed those selfish genes on to our progeny, that those genes would be down regulated. So we just keep being horny wanting to have orgasms...

So the whole sex addiction issue is interesting. If you are addicted to a behavior, than that means you can not stop that behavior even if you want to or if it is harmful to you. Well, who wants to or is ready to stop having orgasms? My guess is that a vast majority of people would not be ready to say "starting now, I will never have an orgasm again". That is where religion swoops in and makes people feel guilty that they can't stop their own drives, when it is not their fault it all.
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31-05-2016, 01:09 PM (This post was last modified: 31-05-2016 01:19 PM by Adrianime.)
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(31-05-2016 11:33 AM)CyberHound Wrote:  So as I understand this...in Atheism there is No Good or Bad?...not even subject to Societies laws?
Unfogged said some good stuff.

I'll just throw in some emphasis. Atheism is not a moral or philosophical framework (atheism = without theism, that's all). You can find that type of framework in things like secular humanism, if you need to adopt a formal set of guidelines. I personally don't consider myself a secular humanist.

Morality (from my perspective) tends to be context-sensitive, rather than black or white. That's what I was alluding to. It's almost "always wrong" to consider any base action to be "always wrong" Tongue. Society's laws do not equal morality, but are often guided by the morals held by the lawmakers (who, in theory, are representative of the moral consensus of the commoners).

To answer you question. I personally believe there is good and bad. But what I believe to be good or bad won't necessarily agree with what you or anybody else thinks. Several things that some believe are morally bad (e.g. prostitution), I don't see as bad. And things I see as bad (e.g. non-medical drug use, including cigarettes and alcohol) aren't seen as bad by many others. Another example: Killing can be context sensitive, and while I consider it morally wrong to kill a home intruder, many would disagree.

To sum it up, I think morality is subjective on several levels --era to era, place to place, context to context, and person to person. But I'm just one person, so who cares what I think? Tongue

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31-05-2016, 01:50 PM (This post was last modified: 31-05-2016 01:53 PM by Fireball.)
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(31-05-2016 09:18 AM)LadyDay Wrote:  Ah yes. Addiction to masturbation. One of many different addictions! Personally, I have a serious addiction to food and oxygen. It is no wonder the church has to help a lot of addicted people!

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Yeah, I picked up an addiction to food when I was little. Withdrawal is such a bitch, and 100% fatal.
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31-05-2016, 04:53 PM
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According to that Kirk Cameron documentary on marriage, all you need is jeebus, a submissive woman, and taking a bat to your computer.

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