Power of prayer or the lottery?
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23-01-2014, 05:54 PM
Power of prayer or the lottery?
(this is all conjecture from the twisted mind of goodwithoutgod, so dont bother to attack my numbers, it is just a thought exercise, not meant to be an accurate breakdown of the subject)

I was thinking today....you hear the phrase "power of prayer" often from the faithful...and I was thinking...since there is what....8 billion ppl in the world, and 80%ish purport to believe in a god...so it is probably safe to say that at least 6 billion ppl believe in a god, lets just half that for argument's sake...so the world has 3 billion people that believe in a god, and most likely utter a silent prayer at least once a day..from the mild "please god let me get to work on time", to the frightening "please god dont let him kill me" type prayers. From mild to moderate to fervent, 3 billion people probably utter one prayer a day....just go with it for the moment...so out of those 3 billion daily prayers, how many get answered?

The very few that appear to be answered I posit it is due to the lottery of chance and coincidence. However, if you are the believer who say prayed "oh god let my numbers come in on the lottery pick" (just like every other faithful person who bought a ticket)...and one of those believers wins the lottery...he or she is going to think, Oh my god, he answered my prayer...I am living proof....no, no I say there was 3 billion pulls on the the one armed bandit of prayers game machine and your pull happened to come up with the three lemons.....but the bible says ask and ye shall receive right? for example

"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." (Matthew 7:7)

"Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 18:19)

"And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive." (Matthew 21:22)

"Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them." (Mark 11:24)

so think about it this way, the handful of prayers that seem to have been answered is not an indication that prayer works, rather we must look at it from the other angle, why didnt the other 2,999,999,992 ish prayers get answered? To me this is an indication that there is no power of prayer, rather it is just the lottery of chance and coincidence.

Opinions? thoughts?

***before i posted this, I showed it to my wife and she just told me there was a podcast recently that kind of touched on this...I swear on my life I have not listened to that particular podcast and any similarities are complete happenstance. She on the other hand listens to the podcasts all day, and was quick to point out that one was similar as far as subject matter. This came to me while driving to work this morning...like minds think alike...who knew?.***

"Belief is so often the death of reason" - Qyburn, Game of Thrones

"The Christian community continues to exist because the conclusions of the critical study of the Bible are largely withheld from them." -Hans Conzelmann (1915-1989)
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23-01-2014, 06:20 PM
RE: Power of prayer or the lottery?
Maybe they did get answered in parallel universes... Each and every one of them

If all were answered in this universe, it would require that they all had the same numbers, and would win less than the cost of the ticket, making the prayer unanswered since its not actually what they WANTED (to win millions)

But srsly, I have no idea how anyone can believe in the power of prayer.
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23-01-2014, 07:01 PM
RE: Power of prayer or the lottery?
For every prayer requested there would have to be serious knock on effects that could negatively impact a lot of people.

Cancer gone cos of prayer? Doctor suddenly gets a false reputation in the hospital and local town for removing it... Eventually causing nothing but misery for the families of all future patients who he couldn't cure. Eventually he'll lose his career and any respect he had.

Got that new job cos of prayer? Ooh god may have given you the right things to say in the interview but now you've realised your stuck in a job that you have no clue what to do because god blagged it for you on the day. Also potentially ruining your employers business and he has to close down forcing redundancies.

Passed your driving test cos of prayer? I think you know the outcome of that one!


Power of Prayer? Sounds like I'd be better off with a monkey's claw
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