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02-04-2017, 01:40 PM
Prayer, free will and "god has a plan"
Mmmkay. How does prayer work with free will and the big ol "plan" that christians claim their god has. Somehow this seems like an oxymoron, or moronic ...whichever.

If god has a plan for everyone how is prayer supposed work. If he changes his mind and listens to a prayer then this means that god's plan was flawed. Then how is free will figured into the mix. How do christians answer this dilemma.

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02-04-2017, 02:09 PM
RE: Prayer, free will and "god has a plan"
There are two things that neither FAITH nor PRAYER can do:
1) my faith and my prayer will not force anyone to choose the path of righteousness
2) my faith and my prayer will not force my will upon God. I can not force God to comply with my desires - no matter how right I think I am or how sincerely I pray.

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02-04-2017, 02:09 PM
RE: Prayer, free will and "god has a plan"
Yeah, praying is more or less pointless, depending on which stripe of xtian one is.
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02-04-2017, 03:19 PM
RE: Prayer, free will and "god has a plan"
CYA. IMO.

Christians constantly remind one another in some kind of weird pretzel logic that any outcome can be viewed as an answer to prayer. Prayer granted: god favors you. Prayer denied: god is testing you. Unable to determine whether your prayer's been answered: god's mysterious. God has a plan for you, but is it simple and linear no matter what you do or has god set up some kind of choose-your-adventure/flow chart thingie? Inquiring minds will never know, but my opinion is that Christians pray less to influence events and more for fear of what god may do to people who don't pray.
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02-04-2017, 03:29 PM
RE: Prayer, free will and "god has a plan"
To be fair, how often does a plan go without a hitch.

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02-04-2017, 03:31 PM
RE: Prayer, free will and "god has a plan"
(02-04-2017 01:40 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  Mmmkay. How does prayer work with free will and the big ol "plan" that christians claim their god has. Somehow this seems like an oxymoron, or moronic ...whichever.

If god has a plan for everyone how is prayer supposed work. If he changes his mind and listens to a prayer then this means that god's plan was flawed. Then how is free will figured into the mix. How do christians answer this dilemma.

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02-04-2017, 03:57 PM
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And "God" WANTS you to make all these prayers?

That's always seemed to me like the boss who says "My office door is always open".

Yeah sure.

Anyone dumb enough to take advantage of that open door quickly finds that using that open door is the quickest way to get loaded down with shit work assignments....


Best bet - maintain a low profile, do your job, and let the schmucks take advantage of the policy.....

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02-04-2017, 04:09 PM
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I was taught how it(God's plan for His children) works.
Let's say I have a plan for my child so he/she can achieve certain goal. My child can accept this plan. My child can reject this plan. When plan is accepted I give instructions how the goal can be achieved.

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02-04-2017, 04:11 PM
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(02-04-2017 01:40 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  Mmmkay. How does prayer work with free will and the big ol "plan" that christians claim their god has. Somehow this seems like an oxymoron, or moronic ...whichever.

If god has a plan for everyone how is prayer supposed work. If he changes his mind and listens to a prayer then this means that god's plan was flawed. Then how is free will figured into the mix. How do christians answer this dilemma.

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When I was a theist, I understood prayer as a means by which to bring oneself in alignment with God's will. So there are at least two different ideas of prayer. One is asking God for something outside of oneself and the other asking for help internally. The first is a kind of magical thinking and lacks logic as you point out. The second at least makes some sense as a "positive thinking" type exercise.

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02-04-2017, 04:15 PM
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Growing up Catholic, prayer was used an awful lot as penance...punishment, as it were.

Especially after going to confession...we were some of the fastest prayers anywhere. Good thing we didn't have to freestyle like other Christian faiths...for us it was rote. The faster, the better. Deep meaning there I tell ya.

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