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22-01-2017, 01:59 PM
RE: President Donald Trump
(22-01-2017 01:53 PM)JDog554 Wrote:  
(22-01-2017 01:33 PM)annie123 Wrote:  First of all, I am sort of a scientist ( licensed engineer) , so there is no need to talk down to me.

To answer some of your questions, since you asked: I would think natural selection would be something atheists believe in. If that is the case, why do you need things such as Medicare/caid? This is more of a catholic/Jesus thing, isn't it? Provide for the poor and disabled? I disagree with this concept. I believe everyone needs to fend for themselves and I don't really want to pay for other people's healthcare, or expect them to pay for mine.

Global warming: (I am actually an environmental engineer so I have studied things like air pollution in detail). There is no true scientific proof the earth is warming because of man made CO2 emissions. I believe it is a political move of the left to try and steal more money from the U.S. and give it to third world countries. The real polluters are other countries, like China and India. CO2 is not a pollutant, it is a necessary gas without which all life on earth would die and a very small increase of it ( or decrease) is not going to affect the weather. The earth warms and cools naturally ( look up the small ice age) and scientists don't know exactly why. The theories are that the output of the sun fluctuates, the earth rotation is not 100% consistent and things like volcanoes change climate. So , I do not believe the U.S. is responsible to pay for any sort of man made climate change. I support the U.S getting out of the UN for that reason and others.

I support the second Amendment , you should, especially as an atheist, be allowed to defend yourself ( and doesn't it say in the Bible that you should turn the other cheek and not fight back?)

I do not support stealing from some and giving to others ( welfare of any kind) , which again goes back to natural selection. Giving to the poor is a RELIGIOUS thing, not an atheist thing imo and one of the reasons I never was a good Christian. I didn't enjoy giving money away

As for Christian politicians: I would rather have them, than the head middle east terrorist we've had for the past 8 years...the lesser evil by far..

I hope this answered some of your questions

Oh man, where to even begin.


1. Climate Change is real, you say you are a scientist but you reject the science that is so painfully obvious.

2. I respect the 2nd Amendment too but why should Atheist "especially" be allowed to defend themselves?

3. Do you even know what Natural Selection is? You are supposed to be a scientist right?

4. Helping someone isn't a religious thing, it's a Moral thing. I don't have to be a Christian to know it's good to help someone in need. If you need to believe in something to tell you that then you have issues.

That number 4, seems to be an odd caricature of what christians seem to think atheism is about, and has me calling POE.


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22-01-2017, 02:00 PM
RE: President Donald Trump
(22-01-2017 01:59 PM)Grasshopper Wrote:  
(22-01-2017 01:53 PM)JDog554 Wrote:  Oh man, where to even begin.


1. Climate Change is real, you say you are a scientist but you reject the science that is so painfully obvious.

2. I respect the 2nd Amendment too but why should Atheist "especially" be allowed to defend themselves?

3. Do you even know what Natural Selection is? You are supposed to be a scientist right?

4. Helping someone isn't a religious thing, it's a Moral thing. I don't have to be a Christian to know it's good to help someone in need. If you need to believe in something to tell you that then you have issues.

RE: #4, she's like an atheist version of the Christians (e.g., Tomasia) who keep trying to tell us that you can't have morality without religion. Most atheists would beg to differ.

I never had religion in my life so I should be out killing people and jay walking.

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22-01-2017, 02:01 PM
RE: President Donald Trump
(22-01-2017 01:29 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  ...
And his Secretary of State has left me scratching my head, honestly.

Whereas to anyone who had been paying attention, it was no surprise.

Facepalm

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22-01-2017, 02:01 PM
RE: President Donald Trump
(22-01-2017 01:33 PM)annie123 Wrote:  As for Christian politicians: I would rather have them, than the head middle east terrorist we've had for the past 8 years...the lesser evil by far..

I hope this answered some of your questions

You left out the part where he was born in Kenya unlike Trump and Pence who are real Americans.Big Grin

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22-01-2017, 02:07 PM
RE: President Donald Trump
(22-01-2017 01:44 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  The way you just assert there's some point to x topic based on association.

I mean if you think natural selection means social darwinism which it doesnt, maybe you'd be valid but even as species go on, unless you belief we are automotons without freewill and the brain already is dictated by experience without choice influence, you would seemingly know natural selection is a element you can have effort in for groups, as its not individual vs individual all objectivist for ones good but for the species aid... and species generally are aided all around by care of those up and down the group. Packs do still take care if eachother, it's not all to protect those at top. And protecting a stable living environment is not a help.

You don't come across as thinking things out other than swift in/out boxing in which leads to a non respectful tone coming back.

If you're in an environmental field. Why do you think 90 % plus of scientists in your field are within a lie or phony claim? Sorry to say you come off as a person living in irrational fears in your final paragraphs.

What's wrong with social Darwinism? Yes packs ( of animals) do take care of each other, but they don't take care of their old, sick or disabled. Those just die.
My thoughts are that if you didn't support old, sick, disabled, you would have a much healthier population that would need much less money for healthcare. It would just be more economic and practical. That's all.

A lot of scientists have to conform to whatever their current politicians want them to conform to or they would be out of a job. Most engineers and a lot of other scientists work for the government either directly or as consultants and they can't openly contradict what the top officials believe in or they will be out of a job. It's all about the money.
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22-01-2017, 02:08 PM
RE: President Donald Trump
(22-01-2017 02:01 PM)tomilay Wrote:  You left out the part where he was born in Kenya unlike Trump and Pence who are real Americans.Big Grin

Big Grin sorry , my mistake!
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22-01-2017, 02:12 PM
RE: President Donald Trump
(22-01-2017 01:59 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  That number 4, seems to be an odd caricature of what christians seem to think atheism is about, and has me calling POE.

What does that mean?

Are for morals, what is the scientific basis for morals?
And who's morals exactly? Yours, mine, Christians, Muslims, Hindus?
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22-01-2017, 02:13 PM
RE: President Donald Trump
(22-01-2017 02:07 PM)annie123 Wrote:  
(22-01-2017 01:44 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  The way you just assert there's some point to x topic based on association.

I mean if you think natural selection means social darwinism which it doesnt, maybe you'd be valid but even as species go on, unless you belief we are automotons without freewill and the brain already is dictated by experience without choice influence, you would seemingly know natural selection is a element you can have effort in for groups, as its not individual vs individual all objectivist for ones good but for the species aid... and species generally are aided all around by care of those up and down the group. Packs do still take care if eachother, it's not all to protect those at top. And protecting a stable living environment is not a help.

You don't come across as thinking things out other than swift in/out boxing in which leads to a non respectful tone coming back.

If you're in an environmental field. Why do you think 90 % plus of scientists in your field are within a lie or phony claim? Sorry to say you come off as a person living in irrational fears in your final paragraphs.

What's wrong with social Darwinism? Yes packs ( of animals) do take care of each other, but they don't take care of their old, sick or disabled. Those just die.
My thoughts are that if you didn't support old, sick, disabled, you would have a much healthier population that would need much less money for healthcare. It would just be more economic and practical. That's all.

A lot of scientists have to conform to whatever their current politicians want them to conform to or they would be out of a job. Most engineers and a lot of other scientists work for the government either directly or as consultants and they can't openly contradict what the top officials believe in or they will be out of a job. It's all about the money.

On the other hand, most scientists who dispute human-caused global warming just happen to be employed by the fossil fuel industry. No "agenda" there, right?

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22-01-2017, 02:14 PM
RE: President Donald Trump
(22-01-2017 01:36 PM)SYZ Wrote:  
(22-01-2017 01:29 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  [...] But I will say that the picture floating around with the mall sparsely populated was taken very early in the proceedings. I have seen other photos that show it pretty full during the time Trump was being sworn in.

Could you please post a link to these images you saw that show a much larger crowd. The only comparative images I've seen thus far are those two posted here earlier, or currently on other tweets.

Consider

I think he might be talking about the images that are taken from the opposite direction, an over-puppet's-shoulder perspective--in which case, the ones from over-Obama's-shoulder perspective still show lots and lots more people at roughly the same point. CNN showed images from both perspectives, and if you can get to the CNN website.

The all-day metro transportation figures also show around 200,000 fewer people using the system on January 20, 2017 than on 1/20/2013 (and more than 500,000 fewer people compared to 2009).
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22-01-2017, 02:15 PM
RE: President Donald Trump
(22-01-2017 01:59 PM)Grasshopper Wrote:  RE: #4, she's like an atheist version of the Christians (e.g., Tomasia) who keep trying to tell us that you can't have morality without religion. Most atheists would beg to differ.

Hey, I have morals! I don't believe in stealing. I don't want the government stealing my money and giving it to someone else!
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