Presuppositional Apologetics
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05-10-2014, 09:11 AM
RE: Presuppositional Apologetics
(03-10-2014 12:34 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(03-10-2014 12:25 PM)Dark Phoenix Wrote:  Reason cannot be justified without reasoning in a circle, even when god is used as the justification. You have to assume reason first, then engage in reasonable argument to prove you need god.

God doesn't need reason. His existence is self evident.
If special pleading is a proof for god's existence, I guess so.

Gods derive their power from post-hoc rationalizations. -The Inquisition

Using the supernatural to explain events in your life is a failure of the intellect to comprehend the world around you. -The Inquisition
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05-10-2014, 12:45 PM
RE: Presuppositional Apologetics
(04-10-2014 07:54 PM)Tartarus Sauce Wrote:  
(03-10-2014 12:34 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  God doesn't need reason. His existence is self evident.

Except it's not.

Here's a good question for you to answer: what factors constitute something as being self-evident?

Oh, I don't know.... Being a perfect being, perhaps? Facepalm

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05-10-2014, 12:46 PM
RE: Presuppositional Apologetics
(05-10-2014 12:45 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(04-10-2014 07:54 PM)Tartarus Sauce Wrote:  Except it's not.

Here's a good question for you to answer: what factors constitute something as being self-evident?

Oh, I don't know.... Being a perfect being, perhaps? Facepalm

Define "perfect being"

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05-10-2014, 12:52 PM
RE: Presuppositional Apologetics
(05-10-2014 12:46 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(05-10-2014 12:45 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  Oh, I don't know.... Being a perfect being, perhaps? Facepalm

Define "perfect being"

Infallible, Omnipotent, Omniscient, creator of all reality, etc

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05-10-2014, 12:55 PM
RE: Presuppositional Apologetics
(05-10-2014 12:52 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(05-10-2014 12:46 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Define "perfect being"

Infallible, Omnipotent, Omniscient, creator of all reality, etc

What about Omnibenevolent?

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05-10-2014, 12:56 PM
RE: Presuppositional Apologetics
(05-10-2014 12:55 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(05-10-2014 12:52 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  Infallible, Omnipotent, Omniscient, creator of all reality, etc

What about Omnibenevolent?

I see no reason why that is necessary.

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05-10-2014, 12:57 PM
RE: Presuppositional Apologetics
(05-10-2014 12:56 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(05-10-2014 12:55 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  What about Omnibenevolent?

I see no reason why that is necessary.

Because it could not be perfect if it could be better. If it is not Omnibenevolent then it is imperfect.

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05-10-2014, 12:59 PM
RE: Presuppositional Apologetics
(05-10-2014 12:57 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(05-10-2014 12:56 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  I see no reason why that is necessary.

Because it could not be perfect if it could be better. If it is not Omnibenevolent then it is imperfect.

Omnibenevolent, as according to whom? Omnibenevolence is subjective.

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05-10-2014, 01:00 PM
RE: Presuppositional Apologetics
(05-10-2014 12:59 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(05-10-2014 12:57 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Because it could not be perfect if it could be better. If it is not Omnibenevolent then it is imperfect.

Omnibenevolent, as according to whom? Omnibenevolence is subjective.

No it's not, OmniBenevolent is as defined as any other Omnimax attribute.

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05-10-2014, 01:02 PM
RE: Presuppositional Apologetics
(05-10-2014 01:00 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(05-10-2014 12:59 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  Omnibenevolent, as according to whom? Omnibenevolence is subjective.

No it's not, OmniBenevolent is as defined as any other Omnimax attribute.

No. What someone considers benevolent may not match what someone else views it as. So, only God's view on omnibenevolence would apply. But since it's God's view, there is no point in defining him by it.

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