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05-10-2014, 01:06 PM
RE: Presuppositional Apologetics
(05-10-2014 01:02 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(05-10-2014 01:00 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  No it's not, OmniBenevolent is as defined as any other Omnimax attribute.

No. What someone considers benevolent may not match what someone else views it as. So, only God's view on omnibenevolence would apply. But since it's God's view, there is no point in defining him by it.

A Perfect being would transcend that. If he is not seen as perfect then he could be improved and is therefore Imperfect.

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08-10-2014, 09:25 AM
RE: Presuppositional Apologetics
(05-10-2014 01:02 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(05-10-2014 01:00 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  No it's not, OmniBenevolent is as defined as any other Omnimax attribute.

No. What someone considers benevolent may not match what someone else views it as. So, only God's view on omnibenevolence would apply. But since it's God's view, there is no point in defining him by it.

If you accept that god's laws reflect his moral code then he is immoral as he violates his own laws.
So not only is he evil, he's also a hypocrite.

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08-10-2014, 09:27 AM
RE: Presuppositional Apologetics
(08-10-2014 09:25 AM)Winterwolf00 Wrote:  
(05-10-2014 01:02 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  No. What someone considers benevolent may not match what someone else views it as. So, only God's view on omnibenevolence would apply. But since it's God's view, there is no point in defining him by it.

If you accept that god's laws reflect his moral code then he is immoral as he violates his own laws.
So not only is he evil, he's also a hypocrite.

A perfect being transcends this.

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08-10-2014, 09:29 AM
RE: Presuppositional Apologetics
(08-10-2014 09:27 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(08-10-2014 09:25 AM)Winterwolf00 Wrote:  If you accept that god's laws reflect his moral code then he is immoral as he violates his own laws.
So not only is he evil, he's also a hypocrite.

A perfect being transcends this.

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08-10-2014, 09:35 AM
RE: Presuppositional Apologetics
(08-10-2014 09:27 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(08-10-2014 09:25 AM)Winterwolf00 Wrote:  If you accept that god's laws reflect his moral code then he is immoral as he violates his own laws.
So not only is he evil, he's also a hypocrite.

A perfect being transcends this.
So basically god doesn't have to follow his own rules because he's god.
Cop outs aren't impressive and convince no one.

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08-10-2014, 09:51 AM
RE: Presuppositional Apologetics
(08-10-2014 09:27 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  A perfect being transcends this.
You don't understand the meaning of "perfect being". Our existence negates the possibility of a perfect being at least as creator or having anything at all to do with us.

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08-10-2014, 09:56 AM
RE: Presuppositional Apologetics
(08-10-2014 09:51 AM)Impulse Wrote:  
(08-10-2014 09:27 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  A perfect being transcends this.
You don't understand the meaning of "perfect being". Our existence negates the possibility of a perfect being at least as creator or having anything at all to do with us.

Oh? Why? Because of our "pain" and "suffering"? The creator of this universe has no obligation to care about us.

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08-10-2014, 09:58 AM
RE: Presuppositional Apologetics
(08-10-2014 09:56 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(08-10-2014 09:51 AM)Impulse Wrote:  You don't understand the meaning of "perfect being". Our existence negates the possibility of a perfect being at least as creator or having anything at all to do with us.

Oh? Why? Because of our "pain" and "suffering"? The creator of this universe has no obligation to care about us.

Wouldn't the perfect being be perfect to all concepts of perfect?

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08-10-2014, 11:20 AM
RE: Presuppositional Apologetics
(08-10-2014 09:56 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  Oh? Why? Because of our "pain" and "suffering"? The creator of this universe has no obligation to care about us.


Again, different thread - same vibe.

Really WHY should any give said creature the time of day if "The creator of this universe has no obligation to care about us." ?

If it does not give two hoots about us or our existence... why the flying fornication should/must we give it any caring back? Really?

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08-10-2014, 11:48 AM
RE: Presuppositional Apologetics
(08-10-2014 09:56 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(08-10-2014 09:51 AM)Impulse Wrote:  You don't understand the meaning of "perfect being". Our existence negates the possibility of a perfect being at least as creator or having anything at all to do with us.

Oh? Why? Because of our "pain" and "suffering"? The creator of this universe has no obligation to care about us.

Because a perfect being wouldn't create anything at all - there would be no need or desire to do so from a being that has no needs or desires (those are imperfect emotions) and already has everything - let alone creating something that is less than perfect like us.

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