Presuppositional Atheism: Turning a Bad Argument Around
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09-01-2015, 03:19 PM
RE: Presuppositional Atheism: Turning a Bad Argument Around
(09-01-2015 03:13 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Presuppostionalism assumes its claim source (bible or koran) is true based on the source of the claim (bible or koran) and that any refutations of this are untrue based on its claim source (bible or koran). It isn't just circular, it's practically a sphere of illogical thought.

Well, there is that...

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09-01-2015, 03:37 PM
RE: Presuppositional Atheism: Turning a Bad Argument Around
(09-01-2015 03:17 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 03:13 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Presuppostionalism assumes its claim source (bible or koran) is true based on the source of the claim (bible or koran) and that any refutations of this are untrue based on its claim source (bible or koran). It isn't just circular, it's practically a sphere of illogical thought.

Atheism is worse. Atheism is a contradiction.

A (absent) + theism = Atheism, absence of theism.

Unless you can demonstrate the contradiction, I'll just assume you are a troll.

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09-01-2015, 03:38 PM
RE: Presuppositional Atheism: Turning a Bad Argument Around
(09-01-2015 03:19 PM)gofish! Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 03:13 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Presuppostionalism assumes its claim source (bible or koran) is true based on the source of the claim (bible or koran) and that any refutations of this are untrue based on its claim source (bible or koran). It isn't just circular, it's practically a sphere of illogical thought.

Well, there is that...

The circular logic of it is all that really matters. It must assume it is true, in order to determine it is true.

It is nonsensical. The same logic would prove that Frodo and Gandalf are real and that Middle Earth is where you go when you die.

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09-01-2015, 03:39 PM
RE: Presuppositional Atheism: Turning a Bad Argument Around
(09-01-2015 03:37 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 03:17 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  Atheism is worse. Atheism is a contradiction.

A (absent) + theism = Atheism, absence of theism.

Unless you can demonstrate the contradiction, I'll just assume you are a troll.

Logic says that circular reasoning is bad, but logic relies on logic to prove logic.

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09-01-2015, 03:42 PM
RE: Presuppositional Atheism: Turning a Bad Argument Around
(09-01-2015 03:39 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 03:37 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  A (absent) + theism = Atheism, absence of theism.

Unless you can demonstrate the contradiction, I'll just assume you are a troll.

Logic says that circular reasoning is bad, but logic relies on logic to prove logic.

Logic is axiomatic.

Try again

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09-01-2015, 03:43 PM
RE: Presuppositional Atheism: Turning a Bad Argument Around
(09-01-2015 03:38 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 03:19 PM)gofish! Wrote:  Well, there is that...

The circular logic of it is all that really matters. It must assume it is true, in order to determine it is true.

It is nonsensical. The same logic would prove that Frodo and Gandalf are real and that Middle Earth is where you go when you die.

Yep, my bad, focused too much on the last bit. That happens a lot when I'm listening to theist arguments.....I start...tuning out.... Sleepy

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09-01-2015, 03:45 PM
RE: Presuppositional Atheism: Turning a Bad Argument Around
(09-01-2015 03:42 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 03:39 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  Logic says that circular reasoning is bad, but logic relies on logic to prove logic.

Logic is axiomatic.

Try again

But you have to use logic to say that. It's circular.

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09-01-2015, 03:46 PM
RE: Presuppositional Atheism: Turning a Bad Argument Around
(09-01-2015 03:45 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 03:42 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Logic is axiomatic.

Try again

But you have to use logic to say that. It's circular.

Where is the contradiction in atheism?

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09-01-2015, 04:16 PM
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(09-01-2015 01:34 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 10:40 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  The crazy things that you can come up with when dealing with Christians in MississippiTongue

It sure could sum up the truth that they don't really believe, just reminds me of the goofy darkmatter youtube videos that are great about if Christians acted as if they believed in Heaven

And yet, you do not even try to refute it... You just ad homenim it. You're playing right into our hands. Evil_monster

Refute what? The fun little game argument in the thread I don't disagree with and therefore have no reason to refute? Or the argument I say nothing about exactly how was i doing anything to it?

In the realm of question asking, are you ever going to respond to the 5+ times you brought up absurdity and I respond so what if it's absurd? Or others responses of that nature. You never follow through with those unfinished proclamations of a statement.

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09-01-2015, 04:44 PM
Presuppositional Atheism: Turning a Bad Argument Around
(09-01-2015 03:45 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 03:42 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Logic is axiomatic.

Try again

But you have to use logic to say that. It's circular.

I'm still waiting for the explanation of the contradiction.

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