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10-01-2015, 07:52 PM
Presuppositional Atheism: Turning a Bad Argument Around
(09-01-2015 10:33 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 10:15 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  You embarrass me as a rational being to be the same species as you.

So, atheism isn't logical?

Where is the contradiction in atheism?

I'm still waiting.

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10-01-2015, 07:55 PM
RE: Presuppositional Atheism: Turning a Bad Argument Around
(10-01-2015 07:52 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 10:33 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  So, atheism isn't logical?

Where is the contradiction in atheism?

I'm still waiting.

You ain't going to get an answer, man.

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10-01-2015, 08:05 PM
Presuppositional Atheism: Turning a Bad Argument Around
(10-01-2015 07:55 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  
(10-01-2015 07:52 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Where is the contradiction in atheism?

I'm still waiting.

You ain't going to get an answer, man.

I don't necessarily expect one, but I don't plan on moving on with any other conversation with them if they don't address their claim.

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10-01-2015, 10:01 PM
RE: Presuppositional Atheism: Turning a Bad Argument Around
(10-01-2015 07:52 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 10:33 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  So, atheism isn't logical?

Where is the contradiction in atheism?

I'm still waiting.

1. Atheism is based in logic. You with me there? Good.
2. Begging the question is defined as an argument in which the conclusion is used as a premise of the argument.
3. Begging the question is fallacious
4. Logic is axiomatic
5. Axioms are logical
6. Logic relies on begging the question
7. Logic is fallacious
8. Atheism is fallacious.

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10-01-2015, 10:18 PM
Presuppositional Atheism: Turning a Bad Argument Around
(10-01-2015 10:01 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(10-01-2015 07:52 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Where is the contradiction in atheism?

I'm still waiting.

1. Atheism is based in logic. You with me there? Good.
2. Begging the question is defined as an argument in which the conclusion is used as a premise of the argument.
3. Begging the question is fallacious
4. Logic is axiomatic
5. Axioms are logical
6. Logic relies on begging the question
7. Logic is fallacious
8. Atheism is fallacious.

Atheism is an absence of theism. So point 1 fails. All others are irrelevant based on point 1 failing.


How is atheism contradictory?

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10-01-2015, 10:21 PM
RE: Presuppositional Atheism: Turning a Bad Argument Around
(10-01-2015 10:18 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(10-01-2015 10:01 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  1. Atheism is based in logic. You with me there? Good.
2. Begging the question is defined as an argument in which the conclusion is used as a premise of the argument.
3. Begging the question is fallacious
4. Logic is axiomatic
5. Axioms are logical
6. Logic relies on begging the question
7. Logic is fallacious
8. Atheism is fallacious.

Atheism is an absence of theism. So point 1 fails. All others are irrelevant based on point 1 failing.


How is atheism contradictory?

What are your grounds for denying theism?

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11-01-2015, 06:01 AM
RE: Presuppositional Atheism: Turning a Bad Argument Around
(10-01-2015 10:01 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(10-01-2015 07:52 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Where is the contradiction in atheism?

I'm still waiting.

1. Atheism is based in logic. You with me there? Good.
2. Begging the question is defined as an argument in which the conclusion is used as a premise of the argument.
3. Begging the question is fallacious
4. Logic is axiomatic
5. Axioms are logical
6. Logic relies on begging the question
7. Logic is fallacious
8. Atheism is fallacious.

I'm really curious here diddo, how would you know WHICH god is the one that you supposedly "know" exists?

Would that be the wrathful, jealous Old Testament YHWH or the loving hippie Jesus' dad Abba? (Two distinct deities btw)

Or should we open this up to Chemosh, Zues, Odin, etc.?

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11-01-2015, 06:09 AM
RE: Presuppositional Atheism: Turning a Bad Argument Around
(10-01-2015 10:21 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(10-01-2015 10:18 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Atheism is an absence of theism. So point 1 fails. All others are irrelevant based on point 1 failing.


How is atheism contradictory?

What are your grounds for denying theism?

That which can be asserted without evidence can be refuted without evidence. No evidence, no further grounds needed.

Now stop trying to think: you clearly don't know how to do it.

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11-01-2015, 06:20 AM
RE: Presuppositional Atheism: Turning a Bad Argument Around
(11-01-2015 06:09 AM)gofish! Wrote:  
(10-01-2015 10:21 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  What are your grounds for denying theism?

That which can be asserted without evidence can be refuted without evidence. No evidence, no further grounds needed.

Now stop trying to think: you clearly don't know how to do it.

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Yes, you're right, but in presupp world trying to provide evidence or logical arguments is self-refuting. We already know that god exists, because this knowledge is put there by god. But even if we allow this ridiculous argument, how do we determine which god put it there? Consider

Maybe diddo can enlighten us?

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11-01-2015, 08:07 AM
Presuppositional Atheism: Turning a Bad Argument Around
(10-01-2015 10:21 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(10-01-2015 10:18 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Atheism is an absence of theism. So point 1 fails. All others are irrelevant based on point 1 failing.


How is atheism contradictory?

What are your grounds for denying theism?

The same grounds I don't accept mysticism claims on. They're indistinguishable from fiction.

Where is the contradiction in atheism? An absence a belief in theism is contradictory because....?

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