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03-10-2011, 06:00 PM
RE: Pro-Lifers
(03-10-2011 05:03 PM)UnderTheMicroscope Wrote:  
(03-10-2011 04:56 PM)sy2502 Wrote:  I am pro-life because I believe a person's right to decide the use of her own body is more important even than the life of another. If a child was dying somewhere and I was the only matching donor of, say, a kidney, wouldI like it if the law forced me to donate the kidney whether I wanted it or not? How about somebody is dying of blood loss and I am a good match, should I be strapped down against my will so they can take my blood? Hey, I can live without some blood right? Well I happen to believe my right to decide what to do with my blood trumps that of the dying individual. Same with pregnancy.

So wouldn't you be pro-choice? because you believe a person has every right to what goes with their body.

oops, my mistake, well caught! Yes I am pro choice. Sorry for the mess up. Blush

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03-10-2011, 07:27 PM
RE: Pro-Lifers
No harm, no foul.

Hey brother christian, with your high and mighty errand, your actions speak so loud, I can't hear a word you're saying.

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04-10-2011, 07:52 PM
RE: Pro-Lifers
I'm pro-choice.

A fetus does not trump a girl's life. Nobody should be forced to have a baby.

For example; me. I do a sport that is my life. A baby would completely ruin my sport. Even being pregnant + recovery then adopting would be about a year lost, plus fitness lost, which would most likely mean I would not achieve my goals in my sport.

So why the hell should I ruin my life, my future and my happiness because birth control failed?

I wonder if these religious people realize they are causing MORE abortions by trying to get teens to abstain rather than teaching proper precautions.
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05-10-2011, 01:10 AM
RE: Pro-Lifers
Nut cases with nothing better to do with their time. When I was a teenager in MD I would volunteer at planned parenthood as one of the people to escort women in. I got to wear a bright neon vest that said 'planned parenthood'. They had this program because the people would prey on young women trying to enter the clinic, they would say they are part of the staff, but really lead them off and yell at them about god.

Some lady tried to grab me, but my dad was there and he nearly knocked her out.

Funny enough we had to fight the school system to give me my hours. They didn't want to award me my volunteer hours for working at planned parenthood. That was a fun day too!

I got called baby killer by my classmates... and people wondered why I left MD to move to Japan.

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05-10-2011, 11:57 AM
RE: Pro-Lifers
(05-10-2011 01:10 AM)monkeyshine89 Wrote:  Nut cases with nothing better to do with their time. When I was a teenager in MD I would volunteer at planned parenthood as one of the people to escort women in. I got to wear a bright neon vest that said 'planned parenthood'. They had this program because the people would prey on young women trying to enter the clinic, they would say they are part of the staff, but really lead them off and yell at them about god.

Some lady tried to grab me, but my dad was there and he nearly knocked her out.

Funny enough we had to fight the school system to give me my hours. They didn't want to award me my volunteer hours for working at planned parenthood. That was a fun day too!

I got called baby killer by my classmates... and people wondered why I left MD to move to Japan.

I remember listening to a talk that was posted here in another thread, in which the speaker said people need to feel they are good people, so they'll choose a cause and pursue it not because they actually believe it, but as a badge of honor, something to pat themselves on the shoulder about. For some it's ecology, for some it's animal rights, for some it's socialism, and I guess for some it's abortion. But it's really easy to spot the honest people who really believe in a cause from the ones who do it to feel they are good people. The true believers will take personal risk and do real personal sacrifice for their cause. The others will only do what doesn't cost them anything. So it's really easy to distinguish the real pro-life believers from the dime-a-dozen sanctimonious phony: ask them how many unwanted babies they have adopted. Of all the idiots standing outside PP with gory signs harassing the women that go in and out, how many of them have actually put their money where their mouth is? My guess: none.

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05-10-2011, 12:09 PM
RE: Pro-Lifers
(05-10-2011 11:57 AM)sy2502 Wrote:  
(05-10-2011 01:10 AM)monkeyshine89 Wrote:  Nut cases with nothing better to do with their time. When I was a teenager in MD I would volunteer at planned parenthood as one of the people to escort women in. I got to wear a bright neon vest that said 'planned parenthood'. They had this program because the people would prey on young women trying to enter the clinic, they would say they are part of the staff, but really lead them off and yell at them about god.

Some lady tried to grab me, but my dad was there and he nearly knocked her out.

Funny enough we had to fight the school system to give me my hours. They didn't want to award me my volunteer hours for working at planned parenthood. That was a fun day too!

I got called baby killer by my classmates... and people wondered why I left MD to move to Japan.

I remember listening to a talk that was posted here in another thread, in which the speaker said people need to feel they are good people, so they'll choose a cause and pursue it not because they actually believe it, but as a badge of honor, something to pat themselves on the shoulder about. For some it's ecology, for some it's animal rights, for some it's socialism, and I guess for some it's abortion. But it's really easy to spot the honest people who really believe in a cause from the ones who do it to feel they are good people. The true believers will take personal risk and do real personal sacrifice for their cause. The others will only do what doesn't cost them anything. So it's really easy to distinguish the real pro-life believers from the dime-a-dozen sanctimonious phony: ask them how many unwanted babies they have adopted. Of all the idiots standing outside PP with gory signs harassing the women that go in and out, how many of them have actually put their money where their mouth is? My guess: none.

There is only one flaw in this theory, one very often associated with religious people. Martyrdom. Some people will even go so far as personal sacrifice just to be remembered. Never underestimate ones desire to be famous.
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05-10-2011, 02:41 PM (This post was last modified: 05-10-2011 03:34 PM by EvilMomLady.)
RE: Pro-Lifers
(02-10-2011 07:25 PM)lucradis Wrote:  I almost made it past them, but my mouth opened and I suddenly had no control of myself I was meta me. The words, oh the words.

First off, that is so funny. I too had a chat with the pro-life booth at the Fremont Fair this summer. AND I came home with souvenir fetus! Actually I kept running into friends as we were walking around the fair & they, heathens all, had already visited the booth & kept asking, "did you get your fetus?" I dithered on chatting & eventually decided to engage this middle aged guy there. It went poorly. (Hey we also stopped by the Seattle Atheists booth. They had knitted FSMs for sale.)

The thing is, they have an untenable position to begin with. Which means they don't want to have a dialogue. You say, "what about thus point?" & you don't an answer, you get a quote or a sound byte, which makes you frustrated & kind of crazy. They don't respond to what you said. They just respond. It's tempting but totally pointless to engage these people.

I am a woman, & a mom. I have a lot of problems with the prolifers (especially that so many of them are men), but my main one is - they are happy to bleat about the value of that child, yet when a poor, uneducated woman, living in harsh circumstances, can't get an abortion, her kid may well be abused, neglected, etc. I think of my own son & how, as a toddler, he was so sweet & innocent & appreciate of love & happiness. It breaks my heart to think of kids being slapped or hit or burned or raped. Children are so vulnerable & it is our job as responsible adults to protect them. But we can all think of situations in which you would say to yourself, that one should never have a child.

I am middle class & went to college. I have traveled. I have seen a wider world. Even if abortion were illegal, I'm sure I could find a way, if I really needed it. And the same with other women like me. Of course we could find sympathetic drs, of course we could find the money. The women & families & potential children who would suffer most from lack of access are exactly teh ones who most need legal avenues, since they might not have my resources.

Xtian prolifers say it's all for the babies, because each life is precious. I don't see any of them going into poor neighborhoods & setting up a bank acct for some needy kid, to the tune of 200k or whatever it is they say it takes to put a kid into adulthood these days. If they really cared about childrens' lives, they'd put their efforts into making those lives moderately free of want & suffering. When parents don't have to feel pathetic that their kids don't have warm clothes, when kids eat decent food, then xtians can turn their extra energies elsewhere. But this is so entirely egotistical. "I saved a child!" For what.

At Burning Man I camped next to a libertarian witha lot of opinions. Interestingly, he was pro-choice, but because unwanted kids were a drain on the collective resources. He did not think of women's rights, or children's q of l, which would have been top for me. Interesting[/i] outlook I had not thought of.

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05-10-2011, 02:58 PM
RE: Pro-Lifers
(05-10-2011 02:41 PM)EvilMomLady Wrote:  
(02-10-2011 07:25 PM)lucradis Wrote:  I almost made it past them, but my mouth opened and I suddenly had no control of myself I was meta me. The words, oh the words.

First off, that is so funny. I too had a chat with the pro-life booth at the Fremont Fair this summer. AND I came home with souvenir fetus! Actually I kept running into friends as we were walking around the fair & they, heathens all, had already visited the booth & kept asking, "did you get your fetus?" I dithered on chatting & eventually decided to engage this middle aged guy there. It went poorly. (Hey we also stopped by the Seattle Atheists booth. They had knitted FSMs for sale.)

The thing is, they have an untenable position to begin with. Which means they don't want to have a dialoge. You say, "what about thus point?" & you don't an answer, you get a quote or a sound byte, which makes you frustrated & kind of crazy. It's tempting but totally pointless.

I am a woman, & a mom. I have a lot of problems with the prolifers, but my main one is - they are happy to bleat about the value of that child, yet when a poor, uneducated woman, living in harsh circumstances, can't get an abortion, her kid may well be abused, neglected, etc. I think of my own son & how, as a toddler, he was so sweet & innocent & appreciate of love & happiness. It breaks my heart to think of kids being slapped or hit or burned or raped. Children are so vulnerable & it is our job as responsible adults to protect them. But we can all think of situations in which you would say to yourself, [i]that one should never have a child.

I am middle class & went to college. Even if abortion were illegal, I'm sure I could find a way, if I really needed it. And the same with other women like me. Of course we could find sympathetic drs, of course we could find the money. The women & families & potential children who would suffer most from lack of access are exactly teh ones who most need legal avenues, since they might not have my resources.

Xtian prolifers say it's all for the babies, because each life is precious. I don't see any of them going into poor neighborhoods & setting up a bank acct for some needy kid, to the tune of 200k or whatever it is they say it takes to put a kid into adulthood these days. If they really cared about childrens' lives, they'd put their efforts into making those lives moderately free of want & suffering. When parents don't have to feel pathetic that their kids don't have warm clothes, when kids eat decent food, then xtians can turn their extra energies elsewhere. But this is so entirely egotistical. "I saved a child!" For what.

At Burning Man I camped next to a libertarian witha lot of opinions. Interestingly, he was pro-choice, but because unwanted kids were a drain on the collective resources. He did not think of women's rights, or children's q of l, which would have been top for me. Interesting[/i] outlook I had not thought of.

I find it very interesting that the same pro-lifers who want to force poor mothers to keep their children are also the same people who want to slash all government assistance programs.

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05-10-2011, 03:18 PM
RE: Pro-Lifers
(05-10-2011 02:58 PM)sy2502 Wrote:  I find it very interesting that the same pro-lifers who want to force poor mothers to keep their children are also the same people who want to slash all government assistance programs.

I think that's the point. If you don't follow the scripture/god/jesus whatever, you will suffer. That suffering will bring you to the cross and righteousness. Then those women will change their ways and not do that nasty stuff again. Or they will just die.

Let's all sing now....

Jesus loves me this I..... etc.

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05-10-2011, 03:27 PM
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I don't think anyone should have a child unless they want that child, & can care for it properly. Any rational person or socioty should agree. After all, who wants children born who no one loves or wants or cares for?

At the same time, the sex drive is the strongest drive we have. And it's strongest in the age group with the least amount of judgement - teens. AND birth control can fail. Which means if a moral society really does care for kids, they will see the reason in using abortion to fulfill the larger & more kind goal of having a society that is composed of wanted members, who don't overload the system, who can be educated & integrated.

Why would anyone want a society that is dragged down by those in poverty, never reaching their potential, living in misery? Yet that is what the pro-lifers are fine with. They glorify themselves in their own minds, thinking to save a soul. Yet that soul, if you think there is one, is housed in a physical body for an average of 70 years. Why isn't that worth any care?

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