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10-11-2017, 07:12 PM
RE: Probability for existence of God
(10-11-2017 06:43 PM)Henri Wrote:  There are millions and millions of Christians who are absolutely convicted in existence of God who revealed Himself through the Bible.

And I believe that every one of them, without a single exception in the entire history of Christianity, is wrong.

I also believe that no one has ever gone to heaven or to hell, because those places have never existed.

I do not believe in eternal life. I believe that when you die, Henri, at the moment that you lose consciousness for the final time, you will permanently lose all your thoughts, all your memories, and all your beliefs. You won't even know that you never made it to heaven, and there isn't a prayer in the universe that can save you.

Embrace the eternal darkness of insentience. It comes for you. It comes for us all. Live life while you still can.

I'm sorry, but your beliefs are much too silly to take seriously. Got anything else we can discuss?
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10-11-2017, 07:14 PM
RE: Probability for existence of God
(10-11-2017 07:07 PM)Henri Wrote:  Anyway, why are you all so worked up over this?

30 pages of insults and potty mouths, arguing on and on but actually proving nothing against OP.

If this is a slam dunk you would have made your case calmly and early and there would be no need for this carnival.

But what can we do? Earth is spinning away, eh?

Au revoir

No one is worked up. You're nothing but the latest nut-job who comes here. We get ignoramuses like you all the time. TTA is on the nut-a-week plan. Thanks for keeping your appointment. It provided yet another opportunity to show all the guests here, how stupid Christians are, and what crap they post.
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10-11-2017, 07:14 PM
RE: Probability for existence of God
(10-11-2017 06:21 PM)Henri Wrote:  No, it's for first toss of a biased coin too. Coin may be biased, you may even know that it is biased, but you don't know how much and on what side, so you still calculate 50/50 for first toss.

If the coin is biased then the actual odds are not 50/50 by definition. If you are in the position of having to guess the result of a biased coin flip without knowing the bias then the only thing you do know is that 50/50 is the one set of odds you can rule out as being wrong. To say that in your ignorance it is the safest odds to assume may be trivially correct but doesn't address the issue of the actual odds at all. You need evidence before you can actually state what those are.

In order to calculate odds you need both a numerator and a denominator. Before you see multiple flips of the biased coin you do not have them so you can't calculate what the actual odds are and your 50/50 is not a calculation, it is just a default when faced with a true dichotomy and a total lack of knowledge regarding the factors involved.

The same is true for how the universe came to be but you'd have to know that there are multiple universes and multiple ways for them to come to be for the question to even make sense. If there is only the one universe, or you are restricting the discussion to just the one, then it came to be in a single way so probability doesn't enter into it. If there are multiple universes being considered and some are cause by conscious agents and some happen without those agents then, and only then, would it make sense to start calculating probabilities.

Positing dichotomies that can't be answered at our current level of knowledge gets us nowhere at all. The only thing we can be pretty confident about is that whatever the answer is, it probably isn't 50/50. Rolleyes

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10-11-2017, 07:16 PM
RE: Probability for existence of God
(10-11-2017 07:07 PM)Henri Wrote:  Anyway, why are you all so worked up over this?

30 pages of insults and potty mouths, arguing on and on but actually proving nothing against OP.

If this is a slam dunk you would have made your case calmly and early and there would be no need for this carnival.

But what can we do? Earth is spinning away, eh?

Au revoir

Still waiting to see your calculation. Tongue

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10-11-2017, 07:18 PM
RE: Probability for existence of God
(10-11-2017 07:07 PM)Henri Wrote:  Au revoir

Thank God. Please, for the love of God and all you believe in, don't come back and diminish it even further. God's got enough problems without having to constantly denounce dolts.

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10-11-2017, 07:23 PM
RE: Probability for existence of God
(10-11-2017 07:07 PM)Henri Wrote:  Anyway, why are you all so worked up over this?

Who is worked up? Projecting a bit?

(10-11-2017 07:07 PM)Henri Wrote:  30 pages of insults and potty mouths, arguing on and on but actually proving nothing against OP.

Keep saying that. It may make you believe it, but the post history stands for itself.

(10-11-2017 07:07 PM)Henri Wrote:  If this is a slam dunk you would have made your case calmly and early and there would be no need for this carnival.

We did. Multiple posters did. Just not you.

(10-11-2017 07:07 PM)Henri Wrote:  But what can we do? Earth is spinning away, eh?

Life is fleeting, uncertain and shorter than most would like.

And you choose to spend it on your knees, wailing to your imaginary friend.

(10-11-2017 07:07 PM)Henri Wrote:  Au revoir

Not enough integrity to admit defeat? Just a few veiled insults and you take your ball and go home?

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10-11-2017, 07:24 PM
RE: Probability for existence of God
(10-11-2017 06:55 PM)Henri Wrote:  It is possible. For the first toss it's 50/50.

No, for the first toss you are unable to calculate odds.

Quote: After that you can correct based on subsequent tosses.

Once you have data you can begin calculating odds, yes. You don't have odds on the first toss if you know it is biased but not how.

Quote:But what if you only have first toss? For you it's 50/50.

Only in the very superficial sense that you have no information to actually calculate the odds so if you have to pick a result then 50/50 is the only option. Before the first toss your ratio for heads (for example) is 0 out of 0 tosses and 0/0 is not 50/50.

If you want to apply that to your claim about the universe then we have the first roll (the universe is here) so the denominator is 1. What's the numerator for conscious or unconscious means? "unkown"/1 does not compute.

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10-11-2017, 07:25 PM
RE: Probability for existence of God
(10-11-2017 06:55 PM)Henri Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 06:47 PM)Free Wrote:  That's not the answer just because of the information you know. If the coin toss is rigged to favor heads or tails, then the answer could never be 50/50.

It's mathematically impossible.

It is possible. For the first toss it's 50/50. After that you can correct based on subsequent tosses.

But what if you only have first toss? For you it's 50/50.

Dude, if you know that the coin is rigged to favor either head or tails before the first toss, then you know there is not going to be a 50/50 chance that the toss will be heads or tails.

The first toss will favor either heads or tails, depending on which one the coin is rigged for. If the coin was so rigged as to favor heads so much that out of 100 tosses, heads would win 99 times, then how can there be 50/50 chance for heads or tails?

It doesn't matter how severely the coin is rigged because you know beforehand that it is rigged, and therefore you know there's no chance of it having a 50/50 chance of being heads or tails.

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10-11-2017, 07:26 PM
RE: Probability for existence of God
(10-11-2017 07:12 PM)Astreja Wrote:  Embrace the eternal darkness of insentience.

I read that as "Embrace the eternal darkness of incontinence"...
Gasp

I don't think even Dante came up with that one (although it's been a while since I read the Inferno)

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10-11-2017, 07:31 PM
RE: Probability for existence of God
(10-11-2017 07:07 PM)Henri Wrote:  Au revoir

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