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31-08-2015, 02:03 PM
RE: Probable, or Not. The 1000 flavors is boring me...
(31-08-2015 03:19 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  Unsure
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03-09-2015, 01:44 PM
RE: Probable, or Not. The 1000 flavors is boring me...
I have never been religious and so knew nothing about atheism either, the term wasn't in wide usage 50+ years ago, you were either religious or not, simple.
Sure I had heard the term but didn't consider it applied to me. Why would I label what I considered to be normality with a name that pointed out that I didn't belong to the 'others'?
It is only because of joining this site some 50 years later that I even thought of using 'atheist' to describe myself. I usually don't though. Habit makes me describe myself as non religious or not believing in god. Any way, why should the rational view have to be labelled at all? Someone said we don't use asanterist or atoothfairyist because such labels not needed when the truly silly thing is believing in those things.
As for gnostic, agnostic etc. I do not see the need to further define a lack of belief in the ridiculous. Yes, I can see that some may want to further define themselves, I just can't see any reason for me to do it.

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26-09-2016, 05:15 PM
RE: Probable, or Not. The 1000 flavors is boring me...
Was just browsing an old post, and saw some gold that made me want to reply...although that dredges up an old post (is that legal here? lol).

These two statements just screamed at me...

(30-08-2015 09:40 AM)true scotsman Wrote:  ...And I don't actually identify as an atheist, but an Objectivist. Atheism is just a side issue, a consequence of my rational philosophy...

...You're supposed to drop your mind and allow for the possibility that their imaginary magic being exists despite the fact that there is no evidence for it and conclusive evidence against. They are allowed to be certain but I am not?

Such a warm and comfortable position (1st quote), that I've never thought of from that angle, that I can relate with instantly, and has some real impact on aspects of core attitude...

(2nd statement, under quote) This is just pure golden debate fodder. ROFL...

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26-09-2016, 05:28 PM
RE: Probable, or Not. The 1000 flavors is boring me...
(26-09-2016 05:15 PM)Matrim Cauthon Wrote:  Was just browsing an old post, and saw some gold that made me want to reply...although that dredges up an old post (is that legal here? lol).

These two statements just screamed at me...

(30-08-2015 09:40 AM)true scotsman Wrote:  ...And I don't actually identify as an atheist, but an Objectivist. Atheism is just a side issue, a consequence of my rational philosophy...

...You're supposed to drop your mind and allow for the possibility that their imaginary magic being exists despite the fact that there is no evidence for it and conclusive evidence against. They are allowed to be certain but I am not?

Such a warm and comfortable position (1st quote), that I've never thought of from that angle, that I can relate with instantly, and has some real impact on aspects of core attitude...

(2nd statement, under quote) This is just pure golden debate fodder. ROFL...

I deny the "conclusive evidence against" part. We have argued about this. We're both atheists. He claims certainty; I do not. I don't think we have conclusive evidence for either the existence or the non-existence of God. Non-existence does seem a lot more likely, though.
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26-09-2016, 06:14 PM (This post was last modified: 26-09-2016 06:35 PM by Matrim Cauthon.)
RE: Probable, or Not. The 1000 flavors is boring me...
(31-08-2015 11:28 AM)Free Wrote:  [SNIP]...But it's not all that important to me to go around like some kind of militant with an in-your-face attitude about it.

My feeling is that if people want to remain entrenched in the past and believe in these ancient (or even modern) deities, then that's their problem. If they want to impede their ability to think rationally then they do themselves a disservice to both themselves and humankind...[snip]

Militant, no. Educating, and at worst, 'actively supporting positive change'? For now, I think = good.

Fully agree though, it becomes 'personal prerogative' in most aspects - and is nothing more than conversation fodder for those inclined - except (to me), in 3 over-arching cases:

1. Separation of Church and State
2. Professional and social discrimination against Non-Believers
3. Tangible negative impacts of 'Religion' the world over (radical islam, african catholicism, etc)

These cases, I think, justify at least some degree of actual 'activism' (for those who don't like it, to still accept as reasonable in society)...but also leads me to a question that I still haven't fully wrapped the mind around: can one oppose the 3 items listed above...and not oppose 'religion' on the whole? Seems easy enough...but every time I pull a thread, seems I end back up in the same spot. Have to leave it alone - or pull at the root. If objective is to kill the tree, and 3 leaves grow for every 1 you pull, then no, can't waste my short time. So...end up caught between strong justifiable reasons to pull at certain branches...but the reality that it does no good without aiming at the root. So...Root, or Walk Away...?

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26-09-2016, 06:33 PM (This post was last modified: 26-09-2016 06:49 PM by Matrim Cauthon.)
RE: Probable, or Not. The 1000 flavors is boring me...
(30-08-2015 10:44 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  [SNIP]...I agree. But for me is mainly about not trying to force others to live according to your rules rather than being theist/atheist...[snip]

This strikes at points/question just above (^). Just don't know if a 'medium' is possible in the 'religion' dynamic.

Purity of form, is certainly (at least) a goal of any religion - even if tempered by some (selling what they can?), for modern reality. In pure form - any religion inherently commands all humanity. Given 'balance' - we'll have all degrees on both sides, and certain we'll need those who 'actively stand' (to trickle down from).

*Isn't Atheism inherently more or less a 'defensive' position anyway? I'm sure there are those otherwise, but I'm unaware of where 'Atheism' and 'Forcing Others' (for anything but to stop being forced themselves) could ever intersect, correctly.

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27-09-2016, 06:22 AM
RE: Probable, or Not. The 1000 flavors is boring me...
(30-08-2015 05:20 AM)JDog554 Wrote:  Atheism is pretty much a yes or no thing, Either you lack a belief in god or you don't. Everything else added to that label is personal preference.

How about what "god" means, is that a matter of personal preference too?

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27-09-2016, 07:17 AM
RE: Probable, or Not. The 1000 flavors is boring me...
(27-09-2016 06:22 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(30-08-2015 05:20 AM)JDog554 Wrote:  Atheism is pretty much a yes or no thing, Either you lack a belief in god or you don't. Everything else added to that label is personal preference.

How about what "god" means, is that a matter of personal preference too?

Yes. That's why there are thousands of god cults.

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27-09-2016, 07:33 AM
RE: Probable, or Not. The 1000 flavors is boring me...
(27-09-2016 07:17 AM)Chas Wrote:  Yes. That's why there are thousands of god cults.

If you lack a belief in a God defined by your personal preference, yet believe in a God according to someone's else personal preference, would you be an atheist or a theist?

"Tell me, muse, of the storyteller who has been thrust to the edge of the world, both an infant and an ancient, and through him reveal everyman." ---Homer the aged poet.

"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."
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27-09-2016, 07:35 AM
RE: Probable, or Not. The 1000 flavors is boring me...
(27-09-2016 07:17 AM)Chas Wrote:  Yes. That's why there are thousands of god cults.

If you lack a belief in a God defined by your personal preference, yet believe in a God according to someone's else personal preference, would you be an atheist or a theist?

"Tell me, muse, of the storyteller who has been thrust to the edge of the world, both an infant and an ancient, and through him reveal everyman." ---Homer the aged poet.

"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."
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