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18-09-2015, 06:32 AM
RE: Proof and Evidence; Unilaterally Undeniable
(18-09-2015 06:12 AM)ahp2015 Wrote:  
(18-09-2015 05:37 AM)ahp2015 Wrote:  as I said, it depends on what you are focused on and what criteria you use

http://ds9.ssl.berkeley.edu/LWS_GEMS/3/layers.htm - 6 layers: skips the magnetosphere
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sunear...yers2.html - same 6 layers
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/jetstream/atmos/layers.htm - 5 layers: skips ionosphere and magnetosphere
https://eo.ucar.edu/basics/wx_1_b.html - same 5 layers

What does your book actually say to define the 7 layers?

That it was, subjectively, written some 1436 years ago when science was unavailable to yield such an answer at the time. What of it? Or do the black and white facts escape you?

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index...004AARXJgM

Nothing there describes the layers of the atmosphere or shows that the people that wrote that were attempting to describe those layers. They were incorporating older mythology about the seven heavens and what each contains into their own explanation of the universe as they thought it might be. You'd have to be extremely gullible to think that they were demonstrating knowledge of Earth's atmosphere and its immediate environs. It's a desperate claim from people unable to admit that their belief has no rational basis.

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18-09-2015, 06:32 AM
RE: Proof and Evidence; Unilaterally Undeniable
Special thanks to DLJ and houseofcantor.

I've been fortunate indeed to take a sample experience with those of different intellectual persuasions. An interesting experiment that I daren't repeat. In deed, a one off scalding to challenge my own beliefs against those with significantly more knowledge than myself. Individually and collectively.

Despite nearly turning myself inside out (more than I already am) in trying to understand new and foreign concepts, I've returned to my state of mind prior to contacting thinking Atheists. Entirely happy with the knowledge that I have that has withstood vigorous, intelligent, criticism.

I was indeed forced to think. Thank you.
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18-09-2015, 06:36 AM
RE: Proof and Evidence; Unilaterally Undeniable
Huh, well that's a new one. Undecided Go well ahp2015.

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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18-09-2015, 06:39 AM
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(18-09-2015 06:19 AM)ahp2015 Wrote:  
(18-09-2015 06:16 AM)Banjo Wrote:  Oh do you. BTW, where is hell?

Not sure, I can tell you how to get there though...

You can give instructions to find a fictional place? You should work at Disney!

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18-09-2015, 06:41 AM
RE: Proof and Evidence; Unilaterally Undeniable
(18-09-2015 06:32 AM)unfogged Wrote:  Nothing there describes the layers of the atmosphere or shows that the people that wrote that were attempting to describe those layers. They were incorporating older mythology about the seven heavens and what each contains into their own explanation of the universe as they thought it might be. You'd have to be extremely gullible to think that they were demonstrating knowledge of Earth's atmosphere and its immediate environs. It's a desperate claim from people unable to admit that their belief has no rational basis.

What knowledge do you have of Arabic? Let alone Qur'anic Arabic.

Come back when you have the understanding of the original language. I'm 6 months in...
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18-09-2015, 06:47 AM
RE: Proof and Evidence; Unilaterally Undeniable
(18-09-2015 06:41 AM)ahp2015 Wrote:  
(18-09-2015 06:32 AM)unfogged Wrote:  Nothing there describes the layers of the atmosphere or shows that the people that wrote that were attempting to describe those layers. They were incorporating older mythology about the seven heavens and what each contains into their own explanation of the universe as they thought it might be. You'd have to be extremely gullible to think that they were demonstrating knowledge of Earth's atmosphere and its immediate environs. It's a desperate claim from people unable to admit that their belief has no rational basis.

What knowledge do you have of Arabic? Let alone Qur'anic Arabic.

Come back when you have the understanding of the original language. I'm 6 months in...

I'm a qualified priest. Big woop.

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18-09-2015, 07:00 AM
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(18-09-2015 06:47 AM)Banjo Wrote:  I'm a qualified priest. Big woop.

I'm a seventh generation onion-licker Smile

My whoop > your whoop

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18-09-2015, 08:59 AM
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I'll whip your whoop with my poop.

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18-09-2015, 09:08 AM
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(18-09-2015 08:59 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  I'll whip your whoop with my poop.

You're disgusting Angry

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18-09-2015, 09:10 AM
RE: Proof and Evidence; Unilaterally Undeniable
(18-09-2015 06:41 AM)ahp2015 Wrote:  
(18-09-2015 06:32 AM)unfogged Wrote:  Nothing there describes the layers of the atmosphere or shows that the people that wrote that were attempting to describe those layers. They were incorporating older mythology about the seven heavens and what each contains into their own explanation of the universe as they thought it might be. You'd have to be extremely gullible to think that they were demonstrating knowledge of Earth's atmosphere and its immediate environs. It's a desperate claim from people unable to admit that their belief has no rational basis.

What knowledge do you have of Arabic? Let alone Qur'anic Arabic.

Come back when you have the understanding of the original language. I'm 6 months in...

None, nor do I have any desire to learn it. If your god can't make himself understood in any language then it's not much of a god now is it? Arabic may have nuances that don't always translate well but the same is true for any language. Can you show that the book actually identifies each of the atmospheric layers using attributes that match it closely and accurately?

There is interesting, even profound, writings in many languages from many times. None of it demonstrates knowledge that a person of the time and place could not have had. It only seems that way when you approach it with the presupposition that that is the case.

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