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27-03-2017, 01:24 PM
Proof that God doesn't exist
(25-03-2017 11:02 PM)Robvalue Wrote:  
(25-03-2017 05:23 PM)treefireguy Wrote:  It is not scientifically possible to prove a god doesn't exist.


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Until someone gives a scientific definition of what it even is, then it is indeed impossible. The fact that they can't formulate it into a falsifiable proposition says a lot though.

If you scrape away the meaningless drivel and just suggest an intelligent creator of our reality, I'd say this is also unfalsifiable. At least for now. It's also of no practical importance.


Oh I agree with you %100. Of course there is no such thing as a god.


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27-03-2017, 06:00 PM
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist
(23-03-2017 09:57 PM)Alla Wrote:  
Full Circle Wrote:Then God, in His infinite powers, can create an object that he wills unmovable. Would you agree?
No, I don't agree. If I assume that real God exists then I automatically assume that God was talking about realistic infinite power, He was not talking about fantasies.
Immovable things "exist" only in someone's head, not in real world.

Gods exist only in someone's head, not in real world.

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28-03-2017, 08:55 AM
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist
(25-03-2017 02:52 PM)Gwaithmir Wrote:  
(24-03-2017 04:22 PM)Alla Wrote:  In which of my posts in this thread did I assume that God can exercise supernatural influence?
What is "supernatural" any way?
Isn't "supernatural" somebody's fantasy? Isn't "supernatural" something that never existed, doesn't exist and will never exists in REAL world?

So, if I assumed that real God exists, I would assumed He exists in real world. If for the argument sake this God claimed that He is omnipotent I would assume He meant that He has real power and not some kind of supernatural power that doesn't exist in real world.
I would assume that word "supernatural" doesn't exist in real God's dictionary.
I would assume that this is what God would mean if He said that He was omnipotent: "Anything that is realistic( can exist in real world) can be created by real Me, nothing real can limit real Me."

>The Christian God is defined by mainstream Christianity as being all-knowing, all-loving, all-powerful, and all just. Yet even a cursory reading of the bible reveals a God who is cruel, unjust, tyrannical, unloving and eternally vengeful. Ergo, the Christian God does not exist by reason of self-contradiction.

>An all-loving, all-powerful, all-knowing God, by definition, cannot create evil or permit evil to exist in the world. And yet, evil exists. Ergo, God, as he is defined, does not exist on the grounds of self-contradiction.

>The law of conservation of matter and energy states that the total quantity of energy in the universe remains the same. Matter and energy are interchangeable, but neither can be created or destroyed. Ergo, the universe has always existed and will always exist in one form or another. God is unnecessary by the Principle of Parsimony.

>The natural histories of religions are well-documented. The behavioral causes of religions are well-known. There is no evidence that religions are the products of anything other than human ingenuity and imagination. Ergo, atheism is rational and skeptically unassailable.

>I don't believe that God does not exist. I know that God does not exist.

Also the bible says god is not all powerful in several places.

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28-03-2017, 09:03 AM
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist
(25-03-2017 06:06 PM)Alla Wrote:  
Gwaithmir Wrote:The Christian God is defined by mainstream Christianity as being all-knowing, all-loving, all-powerful, and all just. Yet even a cursory reading of the bible reveals a God who is cruel, unjust, tyrannical, unloving and eternally vengeful. Ergo, the Christian God does not exist by reason of self-contradiction.
I agree that mainstream Christianity God doesn't exist.
Gwaithmir Wrote:An all-loving, all-powerful, all-knowing God, by definition, cannot create evil or permit evil to exist in the world. And yet, evil exists. Ergo, God, as he is defined, does not exist on the grounds of self-contradiction.
I agree - evil exists. But why does evil exist? Because I am free agent. I govern myself. I choose to do something evil.
Q:Is evil eternal?
A: I believe that as long as free agents exist in the universe evil exists.
Q: Was it ever time in the universe when free agents didn't exist?
A: I don't know but I believe that there was never such time in eternity and infinity. This is why I believe that evil is eternal. And good is eternal.


Gwaithmir Wrote:The law of conservation of matter and energy states that the total quantity of energy in the universe remains the same. Matter and energy are interchangeable, but neither can be created or destroyed. Ergo, the universe has always existed and will always exist in one form or another. God is unnecessary by the Principle of Parsimony.
If you are talking about God who created universe( everything) out of nothing then you are talking about God that never existed, doesn't exist and will never exist.
I believe in God who didn't create matter. I believe in God who can not destroy matter. I believe in God who is organized out of eternal matter. I believe that I am organized out of eternal matter.
So, God is unnecessary in creating matter. Matter is eternal. But I may assume that God knows how to "take" eternal matter and to "organize" something out of it.

Do you then desire a world where a god removes your free will, your right to choose. Would that not in essence remove everything unique and meaningful about you? would you want that life? From what I've heard that's pretty much what heaven is supposed to be, sounds like some kind of hell to me though.

If you don't want that, then don't you think all of this is kinda stupid? Free will never removed so "evil" acts are never removed, but how could you have a heaven without removing free will then? All of this culminates in a very important question.... What exactly is the point of a god? Why should anyone believe in said god?

(lets not forget that "evil" exists independent of free will, no one causes sudden infant death, tsunamis ect through their "free will" so that argument kinda falls flat on its face).

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