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08-10-2014, 09:56 AM
RE: Proof that God exists
(08-10-2014 09:54 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(08-10-2014 09:52 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  One couldn't "know" without it... it's via experience, testing, collaboration, hypothesis, and experimentation repeated throughout development of a brain.

If it's merely a brain in a vat coming to this conclusion, in no way does that negate the understanding and development used to establish reasoning.

Yes, but you have to use reason to know this. Which means you're committing the fallacy of circular reasoning.

Would you DIRECTLY describe the point of where one is using reason to conclude this? Otherwise you're not actually poking any logical hole, you're making an assertion without actually pinpointing the attack you claim. You can claim something all you want but it serves no purpose unless you actually articulate the supposed concept.

At what point is it more than sensation through senses and inference through experience? Where is reason causing reason in this claim as you proclaim it to be?

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08-10-2014, 09:57 AM
RE: Proof that God exists
(08-10-2014 09:55 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  
(08-10-2014 09:52 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  Evidence presupposes an ultimate authority.

No it doesn't.

(08-10-2014 09:52 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  You're not answring my questions.

Your questions are meaningless.

What is meaningless about asking you what the ultimate basis for your knowledge is?

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08-10-2014, 09:57 AM
RE: Proof that God exists
Presuppositionalists should be called out and mocked for their stupidity and cowardice.
They've fallen back to this because they know there is no logic based argument they can use to defend their beliefs.

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08-10-2014, 09:58 AM
RE: Proof that God exists
(08-10-2014 09:57 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  What is meaningless about asking you what the ultimate basis for your knowledge is?

You don't define what an "ultimate basis" actually is.
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08-10-2014, 10:03 AM
RE: Proof that God exists
(08-10-2014 09:57 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(08-10-2014 09:55 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  No it doesn't.


Your questions are meaningless.

What is meaningless about asking you what the ultimate basis for your knowledge is?

You're asking the wrong questions. It's illogical and invalid to ask it in it's form without defining the concept. Plus, It PRESUMES there is such a thing as an ultimate basis without justification.

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08-10-2014, 10:06 AM
RE: Proof that God exists
(08-10-2014 09:52 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(08-10-2014 09:51 AM)Chas Wrote:  I'm not arguing at all. I'm just asking for evidence of your claims.

But, really, the time for you to fuck off is long overdue, troll. Drinking Beverage

Evidence presupposes an ultimate authority. You're not answring my questions.

No, it doesn't.

You sound like a 4-year-old whining and demanding.

Time for you to fuck off, troll. Drinking Beverage

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08-10-2014, 10:20 AM
RE: Proof that God exists
(08-10-2014 09:54 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  Yes, but you have to use reason to know this. Which means you're committing the fallacy of circular reasoning.

Holy crap! He's actually trying to emulate us by using logic! He's still failing pretty badly, but at least he's trying.

Keep it up, guy! You'll get there!
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