Proof that humans and dinosaurs could have never lived together.
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18-10-2012, 08:48 AM (This post was last modified: 18-10-2012 08:52 AM by Vosur.)
RE: Proof that humans and dinosaurs could have never lived together.

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18-10-2012, 05:16 PM
RE: Proof that humans and dinosaurs could have never lived together.
(18-10-2012 08:48 AM)Vosur Wrote:  They continue to cling on to the belief that Christianity and Evolution are incompatible, despite the fact that they are not.

Actually, they are incompatible. If one studies nature, especially its central concept of evolution, one can only conclude there is no loving God, therefore no Christianity.

If you do not come to that conclusion, you obviously don't know enough about nature or are lacking in critical thinking skills.

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18-10-2012, 05:39 PM (This post was last modified: 18-10-2012 06:05 PM by Vosur.)
RE: Proof that humans and dinosaurs could have never lived together.
(18-10-2012 05:16 PM)Chas Wrote:  Actually, they are incompatible. If one studies nature, especially its central concept of evolution, one can only conclude there is no loving God, therefore no Christianity.

If you do not come to that conclusion, you obviously don't know enough about nature or are lacking in critical thinking skills.
Christians do not necessarily have to believe in an omnibenevolent god. KC has written a few posts on that subject.

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18-10-2012, 05:51 PM
RE: Proof that humans and dinosaurs could have never lived together.
(18-10-2012 05:16 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(18-10-2012 08:48 AM)Vosur Wrote:  They continue to cling on to the belief that Christianity and Evolution are incompatible, despite the fact that they are not.

Actually, they are incompatible. If one studies nature, especially its central concept of evolution, one can only conclude there is no loving God, therefore no Christianity.

If you do not come to that conclusion, you obviously don't know enough about nature or are lacking in critical thinking skills.

I agree.

The basic concept, that Jesus died for our sins, especially Original Sin, means there must be Original Sin to die for. Original Sin means Adam and Eve were created, as was everything else.

If you accept that it's all metaphor and evolution is just a tool God used to seed this planet with life, then what you're left with goes something like this:

God created the universe. God created the earth. It probably took just a few days, but that could be a metaphor. He then (mysteriously) created some amino acids in a warm pond somewhere and nudged it to begin life. Then he sat back and waited about 4 billion years, more or less, twiddling his omnipotent thumbs while he waited for stuff to evolve and produce the first humans. Of course, this resulted in evolving plants and trees and carnivores and dinosaurs and legless non-speaking serpents, all from those same amino acids. He then let humans evolve for a couple hundred thousand years until they ended up looking like modern man and then built them a garden about 6,000 years ago. God then moved all the animals and critters into the garden, magically turning all the carnivores into gentle herbivores, undoing billions of years of carnivore evolution in the blink of his omnipotent eye. He also planted the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, which unlike all other trees did not evolve from those same amino acids, right smack dab in the middle of this perfect garden. And then the rest of the stuff in Genesis happened.

Frankly, that's even more nonsensical than what Genesis actually says.

If you really think about it, trying to smoosh evolution and the Bible together into one coherent creation story that incorporates both theories doesn't really work. It's pretty much gotta be one or the other (by this I mean they're mutually exlusive - I'm not trying to exclude other possibilities or set up a false dichotomy).

And we already know which one is pure BS.

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18-10-2012, 08:29 PM
RE: Proof that humans and dinosaurs could have never lived together.
(18-10-2012 05:39 PM)Vosur Wrote:  
(18-10-2012 05:16 PM)Chas Wrote:  Actually, they are incompatible. If one studies nature, especially its central concept of evolution, one can only conclude there is no loving God, therefore no Christianity.

If you do not come to that conclusion, you obviously don't know enough about nature or are lacking in critical thinking skills.
Christians do not necessarily have to believe in an omnibenevolent god. KC has written a few posts on that subject.

You need to study nature and evolution, Herr Vosur. It's not only about benevolence, it's about souls, salvation, sin, etc. - none of which exist.

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18-10-2012, 08:35 PM (This post was last modified: 18-10-2012 08:39 PM by Vosur.)
RE: Proof that humans and dinosaurs could have never lived together.
(18-10-2012 08:29 PM)Chas Wrote:  You need to study nature and evolution, Herr Vosur. It's not only about benevolence, it's about souls, salvation, sin, etc. - none of which exist.
Yes, it is unfounded nonsense either way. The point I was trying to make is that the examples you mentioned can and have been reconciled with Christian beliefs through philosophical acrobatics and by interpreting their scripture in a different way.

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18-10-2012, 08:57 PM
RE: Proof that humans and dinosaurs could have never lived together.
why can't religion die, I want it to go away.

When you are courting a nice girl an hour seems like a second. When you sit on a red-hot cinder a second seems like an hour. That's relativity.

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18-10-2012, 09:07 PM
RE: Proof that humans and dinosaurs could have never lived together.
Just look at what I started. Someone needs to work on combining these two emoticons pronto. Angel Hobo I need a retard angel!

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19-10-2012, 06:27 AM
RE: Proof that humans and dinosaurs could have never lived together.
(18-10-2012 08:35 PM)Vosur Wrote:  
(18-10-2012 08:29 PM)Chas Wrote:  You need to study nature and evolution, Herr Vosur. It's not only about benevolence, it's about souls, salvation, sin, etc. - none of which exist.
Yes, it is unfounded nonsense either way. The point I was trying to make is that the examples you mentioned can and have been reconciled with Christian beliefs through philosophical acrobatics and by interpreting their scripture in a different way.

Yes, they've tried, but it is a very uneasy truce or detente. When one looks deeply at nature, gods disappear.

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