Proof that humans and dinosaurs could have never lived together.
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18-10-2012, 08:48 AM (This post was last modified: 18-10-2012 08:52 AM by Vosur.)
RE: Proof that humans and dinosaurs could have never lived together.
An excerpt from that website Dark Light posted.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles...-the-bible

answersingenesis.org Wrote:The story we have all heard from movies, television, newspapers, and most magazines and textbooks is that dinosaurs lived millions of years ago. According to evolutionists, the dinosaurs “ruled the Earth” for 140 million years, dying out about 65 million years ago. However, scientists do not dig up anything labeled with those ages. They only uncover dead dinosaurs (i.e., their bones), and their bones do not have labels attached telling how old they are. The idea of millions of years of evolution is just the evolutionists’ story about the past. No scientist was there to see the dinosaurs live through this supposed dinosaur age. In fact, there is no proof whatsoever that the world and its fossil layers are millions of years old. No scientist observed dinosaurs die. Scientists only find the bones in the here and now, and because many of them are evolutionists, they try to fit the story of the dinosaurs into their view.
They obviously have no clue that there are several different dating methods which can be used to determine the age archeological discoveries (including fossils).

answersingenesis.org Wrote:Other scientists, called creation scientists, have a different idea about when dinosaurs lived. They believe they can solve any of the supposed dinosaur mysteries and show how the evidence fits wonderfully with their ideas about the past, beliefs that come from the Bible.

The Bible, God’s very special book (or collection of books, really), claims that each writer was supernaturally inspired to write exactly what the Creator of all things wanted him to write down for us so that we can know where we (and dinosaurs) came from, why we are here, and what our future will be. The first book in the Bible—Genesis—teaches us many things about how the universe and life came into existence. Genesis tells us that God created everything—the Earth, stars, sun, moon, plants, animals, and the first two people.

Although the Bible does not tell us exactly how long ago it was that God made the world and its creatures, we can make a good estimate of the date of creation by reading through the Bible and noting some interesting passages:

God made everything in six days. He did this, by the way, to set a pattern for mankind, which has become our seven day week (as described in Exodus 20:11). God worked for six days and rested for one, as a model for us. Furthermore, Bible scholars will tell you that the Hebrew word for day used in Genesis 1, can only mean an ordinary day in this context.

We are told God created the first man and woman—Adam and Eve—on Day Six. Many facts about when their children and their children’s children were born are given in Genesis. These genealogies are recorded throughout the Old Testament, up until the time of Christ. They certainly were not chronologies lasting millions of years.

As you add up all of the dates, and accepting that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, came to Earth almost 2000 years ago, we come to the conclusion that the creation of the Earth and animals (including the dinosaurs) occurred only thousands of years ago (perhaps only 6000!), not millions of years. Thus, if the Bible is right (and it is!), dinosaurs must have lived within the past thousands of years.
'Nuff said. Their method of determining the age of fossils has absolutely nothing to do with the scientific method, but is merely based on religious fundamentalism and a literal interpretation of the Bible. They continue to cling on to the belief that Christianity and Evolution are incompatible, despite the fact that they are not.

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18-10-2012, 05:16 PM
RE: Proof that humans and dinosaurs could have never lived together.
(18-10-2012 08:48 AM)Vosur Wrote:  They continue to cling on to the belief that Christianity and Evolution are incompatible, despite the fact that they are not.

Actually, they are incompatible. If one studies nature, especially its central concept of evolution, one can only conclude there is no loving God, therefore no Christianity.

If you do not come to that conclusion, you obviously don't know enough about nature or are lacking in critical thinking skills.

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18-10-2012, 05:39 PM (This post was last modified: 18-10-2012 06:05 PM by Vosur.)
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(18-10-2012 05:16 PM)Chas Wrote:  Actually, they are incompatible. If one studies nature, especially its central concept of evolution, one can only conclude there is no loving God, therefore no Christianity.

If you do not come to that conclusion, you obviously don't know enough about nature or are lacking in critical thinking skills.
Christians do not necessarily have to believe in an omnibenevolent god. KC has written a few posts on that subject.

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18-10-2012, 05:51 PM
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(18-10-2012 05:16 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(18-10-2012 08:48 AM)Vosur Wrote:  They continue to cling on to the belief that Christianity and Evolution are incompatible, despite the fact that they are not.

Actually, they are incompatible. If one studies nature, especially its central concept of evolution, one can only conclude there is no loving God, therefore no Christianity.

If you do not come to that conclusion, you obviously don't know enough about nature or are lacking in critical thinking skills.

I agree.

The basic concept, that Jesus died for our sins, especially Original Sin, means there must be Original Sin to die for. Original Sin means Adam and Eve were created, as was everything else.

If you accept that it's all metaphor and evolution is just a tool God used to seed this planet with life, then what you're left with goes something like this:

God created the universe. God created the earth. It probably took just a few days, but that could be a metaphor. He then (mysteriously) created some amino acids in a warm pond somewhere and nudged it to begin life. Then he sat back and waited about 4 billion years, more or less, twiddling his omnipotent thumbs while he waited for stuff to evolve and produce the first humans. Of course, this resulted in evolving plants and trees and carnivores and dinosaurs and legless non-speaking serpents, all from those same amino acids. He then let humans evolve for a couple hundred thousand years until they ended up looking like modern man and then built them a garden about 6,000 years ago. God then moved all the animals and critters into the garden, magically turning all the carnivores into gentle herbivores, undoing billions of years of carnivore evolution in the blink of his omnipotent eye. He also planted the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, which unlike all other trees did not evolve from those same amino acids, right smack dab in the middle of this perfect garden. And then the rest of the stuff in Genesis happened.

Frankly, that's even more nonsensical than what Genesis actually says.

If you really think about it, trying to smoosh evolution and the Bible together into one coherent creation story that incorporates both theories doesn't really work. It's pretty much gotta be one or the other (by this I mean they're mutually exlusive - I'm not trying to exclude other possibilities or set up a false dichotomy).

And we already know which one is pure BS.

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18-10-2012, 08:29 PM
RE: Proof that humans and dinosaurs could have never lived together.
(18-10-2012 05:39 PM)Vosur Wrote:  
(18-10-2012 05:16 PM)Chas Wrote:  Actually, they are incompatible. If one studies nature, especially its central concept of evolution, one can only conclude there is no loving God, therefore no Christianity.

If you do not come to that conclusion, you obviously don't know enough about nature or are lacking in critical thinking skills.
Christians do not necessarily have to believe in an omnibenevolent god. KC has written a few posts on that subject.

You need to study nature and evolution, Herr Vosur. It's not only about benevolence, it's about souls, salvation, sin, etc. - none of which exist.

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18-10-2012, 08:35 PM (This post was last modified: 18-10-2012 08:39 PM by Vosur.)
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(18-10-2012 08:29 PM)Chas Wrote:  You need to study nature and evolution, Herr Vosur. It's not only about benevolence, it's about souls, salvation, sin, etc. - none of which exist.
Yes, it is unfounded nonsense either way. The point I was trying to make is that the examples you mentioned can and have been reconciled with Christian beliefs through philosophical acrobatics and by interpreting their scripture in a different way.

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18-10-2012, 08:57 PM
RE: Proof that humans and dinosaurs could have never lived together.
why can't religion die, I want it to go away.

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18-10-2012, 09:07 PM
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Just look at what I started. Someone needs to work on combining these two emoticons pronto. Angel Hobo I need a retard angel!

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19-10-2012, 06:27 AM
RE: Proof that humans and dinosaurs could have never lived together.
(18-10-2012 08:35 PM)Vosur Wrote:  
(18-10-2012 08:29 PM)Chas Wrote:  You need to study nature and evolution, Herr Vosur. It's not only about benevolence, it's about souls, salvation, sin, etc. - none of which exist.
Yes, it is unfounded nonsense either way. The point I was trying to make is that the examples you mentioned can and have been reconciled with Christian beliefs through philosophical acrobatics and by interpreting their scripture in a different way.

Yes, they've tried, but it is a very uneasy truce or detente. When one looks deeply at nature, gods disappear.

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