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14-04-2016, 12:02 PM
RE: Proselytizing rabbi, really?
Who cares?

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14-04-2016, 12:06 PM
RE: Proselytizing rabbi, really?
Proselytizing


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14-04-2016, 12:58 PM
RE: Proselytizing rabbi, really?
(14-04-2016 11:23 AM)WillHopp Wrote:  I find the timing of this rather interesting. Inside of two weeks ago, we were discussing on here the whole Noah's Ark story and I was calling attention to the fact that people love to give Christians shit about this story, calling into question the validity of the event, etc. I took the odd stance of actually standing up for Christians, arguing that the Jews wrote the Old Testament so why not take them to task for this hokum as well.

I was then hit with a bunch of replies about how people of Jewish faith don't care about what we think, don't care what we believe, just live their lives their way and don't seek out converts, etc. I also was told the reason one person gives Christians shit over Noah's Ark and not Jews is because Jews don't come knocking on their doors bothering them on Saturday afternoons, they don't proselytize ever, as if that is a logical argument. But I digress.

Anyway, I never answer my home phone unless I recognize the number, so today when it rang and the number wasn't familiar, I let the machine answer. Usually, especially this time of year, it's some political party and they usually hang up or leave some partial recording. Imagine my surprise when the live person on the other line not only left a message but was a local rabbi. He blessed my household and everyone in it with some Hebrew prayer, then explained what that prayer was, how god was almighty, etc. He talked a little fast so I didn't pick up all of it, but he talked for a good 30 seconds at least, then a woman came on and said if I was interested in supporting their ministry or attending services, yada, yada, yada.

Can Aliza or anyone else explain this? Defend this? I thought Jews didn't proselytize?

No, I've never heard of anything like that. If you're comfortable with it, can you PM me some of the details? Maybe even the call back number, or the name of his organization? I'm very curious to know what this guy is all about.

Wait, did you say supporting their ministry? No, that's a Christian that called you. That's like a black civil rights movement calling themselves the KKK. Something isn't right about that.
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14-04-2016, 01:26 PM
RE: Proselytizing rabbi, really?
(14-04-2016 12:58 PM)Aliza Wrote:  
(14-04-2016 11:23 AM)WillHopp Wrote:  I find the timing of this rather interesting. Inside of two weeks ago, we were discussing on here the whole Noah's Ark story and I was calling attention to the fact that people love to give Christians shit about this story, calling into question the validity of the event, etc. I took the odd stance of actually standing up for Christians, arguing that the Jews wrote the Old Testament so why not take them to task for this hokum as well.

I was then hit with a bunch of replies about how people of Jewish faith don't care about what we think, don't care what we believe, just live their lives their way and don't seek out converts, etc. I also was told the reason one person gives Christians shit over Noah's Ark and not Jews is because Jews don't come knocking on their doors bothering them on Saturday afternoons, they don't proselytize ever, as if that is a logical argument. But I digress.

Anyway, I never answer my home phone unless I recognize the number, so today when it rang and the number wasn't familiar, I let the machine answer. Usually, especially this time of year, it's some political party and they usually hang up or leave some partial recording. Imagine my surprise when the live person on the other line not only left a message but was a local rabbi. He blessed my household and everyone in it with some Hebrew prayer, then explained what that prayer was, how god was almighty, etc. He talked a little fast so I didn't pick up all of it, but he talked for a good 30 seconds at least, then a woman came on and said if I was interested in supporting their ministry or attending services, yada, yada, yada.

Can Aliza or anyone else explain this? Defend this? I thought Jews didn't proselytize?

No, I've never heard of anything like that. If you're comfortable with it, can you PM me some of the details? Maybe even the call back number, or the name of his organization? I'm very curious to know what this guy is all about.

Wait, did you say supporting their ministry? No, that's a Christian that called you. That's like a black civil rights movement calling themselves the KKK. Something isn't right about that.

I thought about that, too, but I looked up Jewish ministries on google and found a few. I deleted the message so I can't give you details.

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14-04-2016, 01:28 PM
RE: Proselytizing rabbi, really?
Plus he said he was a rabbi.

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14-04-2016, 01:43 PM
RE: Proselytizing rabbi, really?
(14-04-2016 01:28 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  Plus he said he was a rabbi.

The thing is… there’s a lot of people who like to playact Judaism because they think it helps validate their position that Jesus is the Jewish messiah. The word “ministry” is never used in Jewish circles outside of government use. Also, we have no trademark on the term Rabbi. Anyone can call themselves a Rabbi just like anyone can call themselves a minister or a pastor. If a Christian church wants to start referring to their clergymen as Rabbi, mainstream Judaism is powerless to stop them. Reconstructionist, Reform, Conservative or Orthodox, these people are not Rabbis to actual Jews.

If you heard the word “ministry” in the message, then this is a Christian organization.

I Googled “Jewish ministry” to see what would come up. The first two pages of results were all Christian organizations hiding under a thin Jewish veneer. Not a single actual Jewish site was represented in either the search results or the related ads.

http://www.jewishvoice.org/
http://askdrbrown.org/
http://www.jewishawareness.org/
http://www.cjfm.org/
http://www.chosenpeople.com/main/
http://www.levitt.com/
http://discoveringthejewishjesus.com/
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14-04-2016, 02:08 PM
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I wish I saved the message now, damn.

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14-04-2016, 02:13 PM
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It was The Fellowship for Christians and Jews. I checked the history of my caller ID and punched the number into google.

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14-04-2016, 02:16 PM
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Ugh.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fell...anization)

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14-04-2016, 02:21 PM
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(14-04-2016 02:16 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  Ugh.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fell...anization)

Christianity wants Jewish approval so badly that after 2,000 years of being unable to convince Jews of their bullshit, they finally just decided to make their own Jewish organizations.

.... well, I guess that's one way to do it.
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