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15-09-2012, 06:51 PM (This post was last modified: 15-09-2012 07:09 PM by Diablo.)
RE: Pseudo-Journalism & Political Lies
(15-09-2012 05:52 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(04-09-2012 12:51 PM)Diablo666 Wrote:  Who said anything about regulating information? This is not a slippery slope. What I am suggesting is no different than a govt employee walking up and checking out an oil well, or the foundation of your house.

Yes, but my entire point was asking; How do you regulate what that person is doing? What makes you think this government appointed person fact-checking is a unbiased party? What segment of the government is controlling this department? How is this segment's members going to be unswayed by money the same way other similar types of organizations have been in dealing with politics.

If it's able to be regulated, the party in control may have a strong inclination to make sure those "fact checkers" are making decisions that lean in their favor.

What makes you think the guy who checks the foundation on your new house is an unbiased party? Maybe his brother owns a construction company!

Having regulators is far better than not, even if they end up corrupt at some point. As you can always go back and clean house. You can't fix whats not there.
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15-09-2012, 07:00 PM
RE: Pseudo-Journalism & Political Lies
(15-09-2012 06:51 PM)Diablo Wrote:  
(15-09-2012 05:52 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  Yes, but my entire point was asking; How do you regulate what that person is doing? What makes you think this government appointed person fact-checking is a unbiased party? What segment of the government is controlling this department? How is this segment's members going to be unswayed by money the same way other similar types of organizations have been in dealing with politics.

If it's able to be regulated, the party in control may have a strong inclination to make sure those "fact checkers" are making decisions that lean in their favor.

What makes you think the guy who checks the foundation on your new house is an unbiased party? Maybe his brother owns a construction company!

Having regulators is far better than not, even if they end up corrupt at some point. As you can always go back and clean house.

That's why you have 2nd opinions. However, it is harder to clean house if you don't know the controlling force is lying to you because most of what you hear is manipulated to say that the lesser forces are not in your best interest.

Having regulation over speech has lead to propaganda all over the world. What makes you think it wouldn't be that same system? Are you fond of the way media is controlled by regulation in other countries? Russia-China-National Socialist Germany for example.

Educating people to understand the difference between a fact and an opinion is a more effective system than preventing people from getting opinion presented as fact through speech regulation.

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15-09-2012, 07:06 PM
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(11-09-2012 10:24 PM)Diablo666 Wrote:  
(10-09-2012 06:57 AM)Logica Humano Wrote:  You must be the God of Strawman on this thread. Yes, it is faulty, and all man-made artifacts are faulty. Did I say we must abandon all journalism? Where did I say that? Please, point it out somewhere. You are dealing with absolution. Your extremity in fixing biased journalism is equivalent to banning all emotion to stop conflict. It makes no sense.
Fine, switch out tech for regulators then. Whatever.

This is just another form of govt regulation.

Again, strawman much? My post was against your notion that suppressing free speech (by means of government oppression) would create fair and balanced journalism, not to mention your plan for media regulation. You are the one who is in favor of government control, not me.

To remove bias is to remove humans from the equation, both listeners and reporters.

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15-09-2012, 07:10 PM
RE: Pseudo-Journalism & Political Lies
(15-09-2012 07:00 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(15-09-2012 06:51 PM)Diablo Wrote:  What makes you think the guy who checks the foundation on your new house is an unbiased party? Maybe his brother owns a construction company!

Having regulators is far better than not, even if they end up corrupt at some point. As you can always go back and clean house.

That's why you have 2nd opinions. However, it is harder to clean house if you don't know the controlling force is lying to you because most of what you hear is manipulated to say that the lesser forces are not in your best interest.

Having regulation over speech has lead to propaganda all over the world. What makes you think it wouldn't be that same system? Are you fond of the way media is controlled by regulation in other countries? Russia-China-National Socialist Germany for example.

Educating people to understand the difference between a fact and an opinion is a more effective system than preventing people from getting opinion presented as fact through speech regulation.

You just went back to the slippery slope fallacy again.

Democracy cannot properly function if the media is corrupt. It doesn't matter who is controlling the corrupt media!
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15-09-2012, 07:12 PM
RE: Pseudo-Journalism & Political Lies
(15-09-2012 07:10 PM)Diablo Wrote:  
(15-09-2012 07:00 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  That's why you have 2nd opinions. However, it is harder to clean house if you don't know the controlling force is lying to you because most of what you hear is manipulated to say that the lesser forces are not in your best interest.

Having regulation over speech has lead to propaganda all over the world. What makes you think it wouldn't be that same system? Are you fond of the way media is controlled by regulation in other countries? Russia-China-National Socialist Germany for example.

Educating people to understand the difference between a fact and an opinion is a more effective system than preventing people from getting opinion presented as fact through speech regulation.

You just went back to the slippery slope fallacy again.

Sort of.. but I'm asking you what your opinion is. I didn't say it would lead to that.. I'm asking you what would occur and how it would be different.

Also, why would you rather adjust the rights to people over simply focusing in revamping an education style?

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15-09-2012, 07:51 PM
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(15-09-2012 07:06 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  To remove bias is to remove humans from the equation, both listeners and reporters.

You keep saying that like it means something, yet its just a sweeping generalization. Its total BS. Why don't you try to use more than the 3 brain cells you just used to regurgitate that horse shit someone told you, and come back with something meaningful.
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16-09-2012, 09:29 AM
RE: Pseudo-Journalism & Political Lies
(15-09-2012 07:51 PM)Diablo Wrote:  
(15-09-2012 07:06 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  To remove bias is to remove humans from the equation, both listeners and reporters.

You keep saying that like it means something, yet its just a sweeping generalization. Its total BS. Why don't you try to use more than the 3 brain cells you just used to regurgitate that horse shit someone told you, and come back with something meaningful.
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16-09-2012, 09:33 AM
RE: Pseudo-Journalism & Political Lies
(15-09-2012 07:51 PM)Diablo Wrote:  
(15-09-2012 07:06 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  To remove bias is to remove humans from the equation, both listeners and reporters.

You keep saying that like it means something, yet its just a sweeping generalization. Its total BS. Why don't you try to use more than the 3 brain cells you just used to regurgitate that horse shit someone told you, and come back with something meaningful.

Tell me how to suppress bias while including human life.

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19-09-2012, 10:33 PM
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21-09-2012, 09:34 AM (This post was last modified: 21-09-2012 10:55 AM by Diablo666.)
RE: Pseudo-Journalism & Political Lies
(16-09-2012 09:33 AM)Logica Humano Wrote:  
(15-09-2012 07:51 PM)Diablo Wrote:  You keep saying that like it means something, yet its just a sweeping generalization. Its total BS. Why don't you try to use more than the 3 brain cells you just used to regurgitate that horse shit someone told you, and come back with something meaningful.

Tell me how to suppress bias while including human life.

You can't completely rid bias from a person. That is obviously impossible, but that doesn't mean a level close to non-bias cannot be achieved.

As I said before, perfection doesn't exist! Thus to stipulate the need for it to exist as a prerequisite for some action is just a means to prevent that action from ever taking place.

For instance, i vaguely recall the republicans saying something about how they would vote for something or another the president was trying to do if he could end illegal immigration. Which is obviously never going to happen, thus they were essentially saying they wouldn't vote for his policy.

Your position is the same as those nutty republicans. Its not even a real argument.
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