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27-10-2015, 08:51 PM
RE: Psychology of guns
(27-10-2015 08:48 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  Before this goes any further, can you people fix your quotes?

I'd like to ... I've been lazy and haven't delved into it, but I'd like to learn how to SNIP and the best way to use quotes.

I'm sure that's somewhere in the intro stuff.

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27-10-2015, 08:52 PM
RE: Psychology of guns
(27-10-2015 08:49 PM)Hobbitgirl Wrote:  
(27-10-2015 08:48 PM)Hypatia Wrote:  Act like a stereotype, get treated like one. Deal with it.

Still waiting on a substantive argument, sweetie.

I don't discuss with people like you, darling, waste of time.

Plus you might go postal on some school. Don't want that.
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27-10-2015, 08:52 PM
RE: Psychology of guns
(27-10-2015 08:34 PM)Hypatia Wrote:  
(27-10-2015 08:29 PM)claywise Wrote:  Funny.

I'm not anti-gun. I own guns. I'm anti-gun obsession.

Concur.

I own one for each day that ends in "Y". That is more than plenty for ME. I have shoes to accessorize, after all.

But I don't care how many anyone else owns. Because if I have MY personal comfort stash...its all good.

Posers with penis anxiety worry all of us but I'm not agitating to outlaw spoons because OPRAH'S ASS HAS ITS OWN ZIP CODE.

We don't all think the same way here.

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27-10-2015, 08:53 PM
RE: Psychology of guns
(27-10-2015 08:49 PM)Hypatia Wrote:  Act like a cunt, get treated like one. Deal with it.

My non-anxious wee-wee actually likes cunts.

And I'm not a never-in.

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27-10-2015, 08:54 PM
RE: Psychology of guns
Heh if your victory is proving your stereotype I'm happy for you! Well done!
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27-10-2015, 08:56 PM
RE: Psychology of guns
(27-10-2015 08:51 PM)claywise Wrote:  
(27-10-2015 08:48 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  Before this goes any further, can you people fix your quotes?

I'd like to ... I've been lazy and haven't delved into it, but I'd like to learn how to SNIP and the best way to use quotes.

I'm sure that's somewhere in the intro stuff.

The forum snips quoted posts automatically at a certain size.
It's the poor formatting that's getting me.

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27-10-2015, 08:56 PM
RE: Psychology of guns
(27-10-2015 08:56 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  The forum snips quoted posts automatically at a certain size.
It's the poor formatting that's getting me.

Got it on SNIPs.

But what I've done here - this works, si?

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27-10-2015, 08:58 PM
RE: Psychology of guns
I'm not sure how the quotes broke. Sorry about that.
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27-10-2015, 09:02 PM
RE: Psychology of guns
(27-10-2015 08:58 PM)Hobbitgirl Wrote:  I'm not sure how the quotes broke. Sorry about that.

I'm trying to figure it out and I must say I am positively befuddled and confounded by this...

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27-10-2015, 09:04 PM (This post was last modified: 27-10-2015 09:08 PM by yakherder.)
RE: Psychology of guns
Spoilering because I'm still on the topic of pepper spray, which was already off topic to begin with, and now after being away for a couple hours it's gone in a completely different direction on top of that Tongue

(27-10-2015 02:08 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(27-10-2015 02:00 PM)yakherder Wrote:  Add a touch of adrenaline and the outcome can be quite different. There are plenty of videos of people completely ignoring spray. Next time we do riot control training I'll have them use bear spray on me and I'll record it Tongue. Yeah, it hurts like hell. But after one or two times, or again with some actual aggression flowing through your system, the effects can be tolerated.

I would like to see that. I can see how if you're jacked up on PCP or adrenaline a taser might not be effective but bear spray pretty much blinds you. I ain't saying you ain't right. When I was in boot camp and went through exposure to tear gas training most of us could only last less than 10 seconds. One guy however didn't even notice it. Could stay in the chamber as long as he wanted. When asked how in the fuck he could do that he said "In the joint almost every lunch period was interrupted by gas, you learned to ignore it or you didn't eat."

Perhaps I was a bit over critical of pepper spray in an effort to make some random point Smile

I'm not at all against it, per say. If nothing else, the point I want to make is that it's not magic. Just as guns cannot guarantee your safety, neither can pepper spray or anything else for that matter. Just a couple more random thoughts before I move on.

• The infamous boot camp gas chamber... Yeah, it sucks. If I could compare the two, CS gas feels like a weaker form of pepper spray, but since you're in a confined space continually breathing it in it ends up sucking a lot more, but only while you're actually in there. Within a minute or two after stepping out of the chamber, you're pretty much good to go. When I went through, I was able to follow the commands they were giving, but I was puking all over the place while I was doing it. Good times Laugh out load

• Here are the contexts in which I've encountered pepper spray, and what I can share based on those experiences to those who want to use it as a possible defensive tool. Sorry if it's stuff I've said in other threads, sometimes I forget which stories I've told. I'm kind of like a senile old man that way:

1) During "A" School (the job specific school you take after Navy boot camp, for the military illiterate reading this Tongue), we'd get into semi organized barracks wrestling matches with the marines, and more often than not someone would bring some pepper spray to the party. It sucked, a lot, but the best way I can describe the way it affects me while I'm in the middle of a match is I start thinking a little less and letting the adrenaline take over a lot more. Stop being patient and tactical, start fighting off pure anger until someone gives up, stick around long enough that everyone sees what a badass you are, then run to the shower and cry while you try to decontaminate yourself.

2) My Army Guard unit in Nevada got designated as a backup force in the event the police needed assistance during a riot, and we were therefore required to begin undergoing regular riot control training. This is how the pepper spray portion of it worked: We'd stand still with our eyes open while someone sprayed us directly in the face, we'd stand around for about 15 seconds to let it take effect so we wouldn't get an unfair head start on the course that followed, then once it took effect they'd blow a whistle and we were off. The course started with us simply trying to attack a guy dressed in one of those ridiculous red pillow costume things so we could beat the shit out of him without actually hurting him, then proceeded to the exact opposite of that where someone would try to kick our ass while we did our best to defend ourselves (by this time more or less blind), then we'd have to go through a mock arrest scenario which involved taking someone down and handcuffing them mostly by feel, then we'd go stand in front of a big air conditioner and spray water on ourselves in an effort to decontaminate while thinking about how much life sucks right now.

Not being a line unit, we also had females in this unit. I feel that's significant to mention, because every single person in our unit passed this test with flying colors. True, we had one particular young girl that couldn't have been much more than 100 pounds, and she screamed in agony when she got hit with the spray. Nonetheless, when the whistle blew she took off like a raging psychopath and had the big red punching dummy on his ass in a matter of seconds.

3) When I started with Ontario Corrections, and again with Immigration, I had to go through similar obstacle courses. My defensive tactics instructor for corrections took it a step further (just to show us all what a bunch of pansies we were) by first spraying himself, and then putting a gas mask over his contaminated face to further restrict his access to fresh air, thereby amplifying the effects of the spray. He then proceeded to go through the course himself as if he didn't even give a shit. His face was bright red for the rest of the day, and he didn't deny that it sucked a lot.

The only times I've ever actually used spray in the line of duty was also within Canadian detention centres, where we used it regularly. It's best use was in gaining compliance from someone who was being stubborn, and perhaps making threats or otherwise indicating that they might become combative, but who had not yet actually become combative. Once they became combative, however, it was quite ineffective at actually breaking up a fight, though they'd be much more manageable and submissive once they finished kicking whoever's ass they were kicking and then had the frame of mind to realize how much they'd like to have a shower, and would pretty much do anything we said if they thought it would get them one. Also, every single time I or someone around me used it, all involved were contaminated. Obviously the inmate who took the direct hit (assuming we got a direct hit, which didn't always happen) was affected the worst, but the next step was to then subdue and handcuff them. This almost always had to be followed up by taking a couple hours off to go home, shower, change clothes, and decontaminate for a while before returning to work.

The recurring theme, from my own subjective experiences, is that getting sprayed absolutely sucks ass. I will never deny that. And if you've got nothing better to do than think about how it sucks, you will indeed stand there coughing, sulking, and being blind, like the people in the videos. But if you've got an objective and the will to achieve that objective, the spray absolutely does not stop you. There are legitimate physical effects, namely reduced vision and difficulty in breathing, and it hurts in a way that's comparable to a real nasty sunburn, but it's ability to actually stop someone is based almost solely on the concept of pain compliance. It is not, by definition, incapacitating.

Now, if someone wants to carry it as a tool, I'm all for it. And if someone does attack you, and pepper spray happens to be the most practical weapon you've got in reach, by all means let it rip. But, as with guns, knives, or any other self defense weapon, do your research, learn it's limitations, have a plan before the encounter happens, run enough drills that this plan can be executed on instinct, and in the case of pepper spray, do something like the above mentioned courses at least once since, as mentioned, cross contamination is almost guaranteed.

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