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28-10-2015, 11:29 AM (This post was last modified: 28-10-2015 11:33 AM by Szuchow.)
RE: Psychology of guns
(28-10-2015 11:24 AM)JDog554 Wrote:  
(28-10-2015 10:38 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  I would say that's strange. I can't imagine myself doing it.

I don't need random strangers to compliment me so I imagine women feel/could feel the same.

Well I don't have a lot of self-confidence so if a woman comes up to me and says I have a nice smile it would make me happy. It's just a way of being nice, just keep it small and don't make a big deal out of it. Best case scenario you make a friend or make someones day, worst case, she nods it off and you forget about it in a couple days.

I also probably wouldn't be displeased but still it's something that I can easily live without. It's simply not needed. Also you never know if other person won't find such thing uncomfortable so why do it?

My take it's simple - you will not make someone uncomfortable by not engaging him/her with something that you deem nice to say. So there is no point in such act for me at least.

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28-10-2015, 11:37 AM
RE: Psychology of guns
(28-10-2015 11:29 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  
(28-10-2015 11:24 AM)JDog554 Wrote:  Well I don't have a lot of self-confidence so if a woman comes up to me and says I have a nice smile it would make me happy. It's just a way of being nice, just keep it small and don't make a big deal out of it. Best case scenario you make a friend or make someones day, worst case, she nods it off and you forget about it in a couple days.

I also probably wouldn't be displeased but still it's something that I can easily live without. It's simply not needed. Also you never know if other person won't find such thing uncomfortable so why do it?

My take it's simple - you will not make someone uncomfortable by not engaging him/her with something that you deem nice to say. So there is no point in such act for me at least.

Totally agree. If you want to talk to a woman you don't know, don't mention her appearance. Talk to her about the Red Sox if you see she is wearing a Red Sox hat, talk to her about some food she is looking at at the grocery store, talk to her about the weather etc. Most women I know don't like it when a random man comes up t them and starts talking about their appearance (even if the guy means it in a "nice" way). We don't know you--how do we know what your intention is?
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28-10-2015, 11:38 AM
RE: Psychology of guns
(28-10-2015 11:29 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  
(28-10-2015 11:24 AM)JDog554 Wrote:  Well I don't have a lot of self-confidence so if a woman comes up to me and says I have a nice smile it would make me happy. It's just a way of being nice, just keep it small and don't make a big deal out of it. Best case scenario you make a friend or make someones day, worst case, she nods it off and you forget about it in a couple days.

I also probably wouldn't be displeased but still it's something that I can easily live without. It's simply not needed. Also you never know if other person won't find such thing uncomfortable so why do it?

Because it's being nice, why hold open a door for someone, why pay for someone's lunch? A small gesture can turn around someone's day for the better or it may be a bit uncomfortable and you move on. As long as you don't be an asshole about it or do it in a bad way there more reward than risk in it. If you don't want to do it then don't but why question those who want to be nice to people?

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28-10-2015, 11:46 AM
RE: Psychology of guns
(28-10-2015 11:37 AM)jennybee Wrote:  Most women I know don't like it when a random man comes up t them and starts talking about their appearance (even if the guy means it in a "nice" way). We don't know you--how do we know what your intention is?

Nothing surprising in it. I don't care for small talk with strangers so why should I expect different reaction from said strangers.

I see no problem in simply not talking as I doubt that random women care for my opinion about their looks. There is no reason for making them uncomfortable with such meaningless statements.

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28-10-2015, 11:47 AM
RE: Psychology of guns
(28-10-2015 11:38 AM)JDog554 Wrote:  
(28-10-2015 11:29 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  I also probably wouldn't be displeased but still it's something that I can easily live without. It's simply not needed. Also you never know if other person won't find such thing uncomfortable so why do it?

Because it's being nice, why hold open a door for someone, why pay for someone's lunch? A small gesture can turn around someone's day for the better or it may be a bit uncomfortable and you move on. As long as you don't be an asshole about it or do it in a bad way there more reward than risk in it. If you don't want to do it then don't but why question those who want to be nice to people?

If a random guy came up to me and said nice smile, I would probably try and avoid him the next time I see him. So would most women I know. We don't know you. We don't know if the next time you see us the convo goes past "nice smile." Holding a door open for someone is not the same as going up to a woman you don't know and commenting on her appearance. What I think you're not getting is that women deal with cat calls and assholes and guys following us around on a regular basis. While you may think you are being nice--we can't tell if you are a just another asshole or a nice guy, so it's best to assume you are an asshole in order to protect ourselves from a random not nice guy on the street.
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28-10-2015, 11:52 AM
RE: Psychology of guns
Anyways, back on topic.

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28-10-2015, 11:53 AM
RE: Psychology of guns
(27-10-2015 08:49 PM)Hypatia Wrote:  
(27-10-2015 08:47 PM)Hobbitgirl Wrote:  Don't let the door hit you and all that.

Act like a cunt, get treated like one. Deal with it.

Wow... Such a grown up response. Drinking Beverage
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28-10-2015, 11:53 AM
RE: Psychology of guns
(28-10-2015 11:38 AM)JDog554 Wrote:  Because it's being nice

You say it's nice I say it can be creepy and is not needed.

(28-10-2015 11:38 AM)JDog554 Wrote:  why hold open a door for someone

Common courtesy.

(28-10-2015 11:38 AM)JDog554 Wrote:  why pay for someone's lunch?

I have no idea. I'll never do such thing.

(28-10-2015 11:38 AM)JDog554 Wrote:  A small gesture can turn around someone's day for the better or it may be a bit uncomfortable and you move on.

For me possibility of it being uncomfortable is reason enough to not do it. I suppose that random women don't care for my opinion about their looks and I don't see the reason to bother them with it.

(28-10-2015 11:38 AM)JDog554 Wrote:  As long as you don't be an asshole about it or do it in a bad way there more reward than risk in it.

I disagree.

(28-10-2015 11:38 AM)JDog554 Wrote:  If you don't want to do it then don't but why question those who want to be nice to people?

Why not question them? You may think that it's nice but is not valid for everyone. I think that is better to not say anything - you will not make someone uncomfortable with your attempts at being nice that way.

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28-10-2015, 11:56 AM (This post was last modified: 28-10-2015 12:15 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Psychology of guns
(27-10-2015 09:04 PM)yakherder Wrote:  Spoilering because I'm still on the topic of pepper spray, which was already off topic to begin with, and now after being away for a couple hours it's gone in a completely different direction on top of that Tongue

(27-10-2015 02:08 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  I would like to see that. I can see how if you're jacked up on PCP or adrenaline a taser might not be effective but bear spray pretty much blinds you. I ain't saying you ain't right. When I was in boot camp and went through exposure to tear gas training most of us could only last less than 10 seconds. One guy however didn't even notice it. Could stay in the chamber as long as he wanted. When asked how in the fuck he could do that he said "In the joint almost every lunch period was interrupted by gas, you learned to ignore it or you didn't eat."

Perhaps I was a bit over critical of pepper spray in an effort to make some random point Smile

I'm not at all against it, per say. If nothing else, the point I want to make is that it's not magic. Just as guns cannot guarantee your safety, neither can pepper spray or anything else for that matter. Just a couple more random thoughts before I move on.

• The infamous boot camp gas chamber... Yeah, it sucks. If I could compare the two, CS gas feels like a weaker form of pepper spray, but since you're in a confined space continually breathing it in it ends up sucking a lot more, but only while you're actually in there. Within a minute or two after stepping out of the chamber, you're pretty much good to go. When I went through, I was able to follow the commands they were giving, but I was puking all over the place while I was doing it. Good times Laugh out load

• Here are the contexts in which I've encountered pepper spray, and what I can share based on those experiences to those who want to use it as a possible defensive tool. Sorry if it's stuff I've said in other threads, sometimes I forget which stories I've told. I'm kind of like a senile old man that way:

1) During "A" School (the job specific school you take after Navy boot camp, for the military illiterate reading this Tongue), we'd get into semi organized barracks wrestling matches with the marines, and more often than not someone would bring some pepper spray to the party. It sucked, a lot, but the best way I can describe the way it affects me while I'm in the middle of a match is I start thinking a little less and letting the adrenaline take over a lot more. Stop being patient and tactical, start fighting off pure anger until someone gives up, stick around long enough that everyone sees what a badass you are, then run to the shower and cry while you try to decontaminate yourself.

2) My Army Guard unit in Nevada got designated as a backup force in the event the police needed assistance during a riot, and we were therefore required to begin undergoing regular riot control training. This is how the pepper spray portion of it worked: We'd stand still with our eyes open while someone sprayed us directly in the face, we'd stand around for about 15 seconds to let it take effect so we wouldn't get an unfair head start on the course that followed, then once it took effect they'd blow a whistle and we were off. The course started with us simply trying to attack a guy dressed in one of those ridiculous red pillow costume things so we could beat the shit out of him without actually hurting him, then proceeded to the exact opposite of that where someone would try to kick our ass while we did our best to defend ourselves (by this time more or less blind), then we'd have to go through a mock arrest scenario which involved taking someone down and handcuffing them mostly by feel, then we'd go stand in front of a big air conditioner and spray water on ourselves in an effort to decontaminate while thinking about how much life sucks right now.

Not being a line unit, we also had females in this unit. I feel that's significant to mention, because every single person in our unit passed this test with flying colors. True, we had one particular young girl that couldn't have been much more than 100 pounds, and she screamed in agony when she got hit with the spray. Nonetheless, when the whistle blew she took off like a raging psychopath and had the big red punching dummy on his ass in a matter of seconds.

3) When I started with Ontario Corrections, and again with Immigration, I had to go through similar obstacle courses. My defensive tactics instructor for corrections took it a step further (just to show us all what a bunch of pansies we were) by first spraying himself, and then putting a gas mask over his contaminated face to further restrict his access to fresh air, thereby amplifying the effects of the spray. He then proceeded to go through the course himself as if he didn't even give a shit. His face was bright red for the rest of the day, and he didn't deny that it sucked a lot.

The only times I've ever actually used spray in the line of duty was also within Canadian detention centres, where we used it regularly. It's best use was in gaining compliance from someone who was being stubborn, and perhaps making threats or otherwise indicating that they might become combative, but who had not yet actually become combative. Once they became combative, however, it was quite ineffective at actually breaking up a fight, though they'd be much more manageable and submissive once they finished kicking whoever's ass they were kicking and then had the frame of mind to realize how much they'd like to have a shower, and would pretty much do anything we said if they thought it would get them one. Also, every single time I or someone around me used it, all involved were contaminated. Obviously the inmate who took the direct hit (assuming we got a direct hit, which didn't always happen) was affected the worst, but the next step was to then subdue and handcuff them. This almost always had to be followed up by taking a couple hours off to go home, shower, change clothes, and decontaminate for a while before returning to work.

The recurring theme, from my own subjective experiences, is that getting sprayed absolutely sucks ass. I will never deny that. And if you've got nothing better to do than think about how it sucks, you will indeed stand there coughing, sulking, and being blind, like the people in the videos. But if you've got an objective and the will to achieve that objective, the spray absolutely does not stop you. There are legitimate physical effects, namely reduced vision and difficulty in breathing, and it hurts in a way that's comparable to a real nasty sunburn, but it's ability to actually stop someone is based almost solely on the concept of pain compliance. It is not, by definition, incapacitating.

Now, if someone wants to carry it as a tool, I'm all for it. And if someone does attack you, and pepper spray happens to be the most practical weapon you've got in reach, by all means let it rip. But, as with guns, knives, or any other self defense weapon, do your research, learn it's limitations, have a plan before the encounter happens, run enough drills that this plan can be executed on instinct, and in the case of pepper spray, do something like the above mentioned courses at least once since, as mentioned, cross contamination is almost guaranteed.

Don't corrections officers have plastic riot masks or something? If not so much to prevent pepper spray cross contamination than to keep the shit and piss and spit off your face.

Very nice post btw. I rarely have the interest to read one that long.

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28-10-2015, 11:57 AM
RE: Psychology of guns
(28-10-2015 11:53 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  
(28-10-2015 11:38 AM)JDog554 Wrote:  Because it's being nice

You say it's nice I say it can be creepy and is not needed.

(28-10-2015 11:38 AM)JDog554 Wrote:  why hold open a door for someone

Common courtesy.

(28-10-2015 11:38 AM)JDog554 Wrote:  why pay for someone's lunch?

I have no idea. I'll never do such thing.

(28-10-2015 11:38 AM)JDog554 Wrote:  A small gesture can turn around someone's day for the better or it may be a bit uncomfortable and you move on.

For me possibility of it being uncomfortable is reason enough to not do it. I suppose that random women don't care for my opinion about their looks and I don't see the reason to bother them with it.

(28-10-2015 11:38 AM)JDog554 Wrote:  As long as you don't be an asshole about it or do it in a bad way there more reward than risk in it.

I disagree.

(28-10-2015 11:38 AM)JDog554 Wrote:  If you don't want to do it then don't but why question those who want to be nice to people?

Why not question them? You may think that it's nice but is not valid for everyone. I think that is better to not say anything - you will not make someone uncomfortable with your attempts at being nice that way.

Sorry I want to be a decent member of this society and be nice to people, guess being an asshole is the way to go now and days.

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