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12-06-2017, 08:33 AM (This post was last modified: 12-06-2017 08:40 AM by Rockblossom.)
RE: Puerto Rico to be 51?
(12-06-2017 06:51 AM)Brian37 Wrote:  
(11-06-2017 08:24 PM)GenesisNemesis Wrote:  Why would anyone want to be Muricans after this election?

No kidding. I am for them becoming a state if they chose, but even if they do, they're are just as screwed by our GOP as far as the politics of bigotry and corporate welfare. They'd be better of waiting until we boot the GOP and President Covfefe.

Even if everything goes smoothly (unlikely) - this is a slow process. The 97% vote in the referendum is deceptive, because the opponents chose to boycott the vote rather than just voting against statehood. The purpose was to deliberately keep voter turnout low with the expectation that Congress would reject the petition for statehood because not a large enough percentage of registered voters actually voted for becoming a state. It's a calculated gamble, but could backfire if PR gets the go-ahead to put the issue to an actual ballot vote later this year, and statehood ekes out a majority. Even then, it would be years of walking through the process, so statehood is unlikely for at least another 5-10 years. On the other hand, if a majority voted for independence (very unlikely) - that process could be relatively fast.

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12-06-2017, 08:37 AM
RE: Puerto Rico to be 51?
(11-06-2017 05:32 PM)Rockblossom Wrote:  Of interest to 'Muricans:

Quote:Puerto Rico voted overwhelmingly in favor of statehood on Sunday in a referendum that begins the steps toward sending representatives to Washington, D.C.

According to the Wall Street Journal, 97 percent voted for statehood, though turnout was only about 23 percent. One and a half percent voted for independence from the United States, according to Decision Desk HQ, while 1.3 percent voted to keep the current status of a territory of the United States.

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/337347-...-statehood

3/4s of the eligible population didn't vote, so the vote is actually underwhelming. I lived there for two years in the '70s, nobody I talked to was interested in statehood.
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12-06-2017, 09:34 AM
RE: Puerto Rico to be 51?
(12-06-2017 08:17 AM)Fireball Wrote:  
(12-06-2017 08:03 AM)Thoreauvian Wrote:  They desperately need to be bailed out financially.

They just became another card-carrying member of a Debtor Nation. The big part will probably borrow from them!

The "dept" even in the states, IS NOT coming from workers, it is coming from the top 1% getting tax breaks the rest of us pay for to fuel their bad gambling on the global market.

That does have a trickle down effect so when you talk about personal dept by the worker, yea, of course because of their pay not meeting up with the cost of living on top of fueling another long term corporate bubble.

But the idea of "dept" on a global level is fucking stupid to me. This only matters to big corporations globally, but we live on a BALL, not an infinite flat surface so really all the global market has become is not about improving, but passing money around. The only way out of dept is for the TOP to pay livable wages to workers and invest in new technology that improves and not simply exploits.

We had Reagan's failed policies for 36 years, they did not work.

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12-06-2017, 10:03 AM
RE: Puerto Rico to be 51?
(12-06-2017 09:34 AM)Brian37 Wrote:  
(12-06-2017 08:17 AM)Fireball Wrote:  They just became another card-carrying member of a Debtor Nation. The big part will probably borrow from them!

The "dept" even in the states, IS NOT coming from workers, it is coming from the top 1% getting tax breaks the rest of us pay for to fuel their bad gambling on the global market.

That does have a trickle down effect so when you talk about personal dept by the worker, yea, of course because of their pay not meeting up with the cost of living on top of fueling another long term corporate bubble.

But the idea of "dept" on a global level is fucking stupid to me. This only matters to big corporations globally, but we live on a BALL, not an infinite flat surface so really all the global market has become is not about improving, but passing money around. The only way out of dept is for the TOP to pay livable wages to workers and invest in new technology that improves and not simply exploits.

We had Reagan's failed policies for 36 years, they did not work.

Yet the fact that we've had a ( D ) President for more than half the time since Reagan left office escapes you...

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12-06-2017, 12:22 PM
RE: Puerto Rico to be 51?
(12-06-2017 08:33 AM)Rockblossom Wrote:  And you folks across the Big Pond thought BREXIT was complicated.! Dodgy

That's nothing. BREXIT is a 40 year process being done in reverse in under 2 years, and if they cannot hammer out an adequate deal, it's not like the UK will just go back to being a territory. They have something close to 300 treaties to review that the EU negotiated on their behalf.

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12-06-2017, 12:47 PM
RE: Puerto Rico to be 51?
(12-06-2017 06:43 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  
(12-06-2017 12:23 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Sign them the fuck up, and add the District of Columbia while we're at it.








Not such a good idea on DC.,..

Unless you want to put the national capital somewhere else.

The idea of course was to keep one spot from having too much influence...

Put it back in Westminster. Make it a colony again.

It's clear that the US is unable to properly govern itself.
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