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24-07-2013, 11:48 AM
RE: Pulling the "race card" card
Not me, it is different.

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24-07-2013, 11:50 AM
RE: Pulling the "race card" card
The fountains were separated because whites believed themselves to be superior to blacks and didn't want to catch some black person disease or whatever.
The action was because of racist reasons.

The hiring is because my boss wants to keep his customers.
Non-racist.

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24-07-2013, 11:51 AM
RE: Pulling the "race card" card
Both actions based on race, only one of them racist.

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24-07-2013, 11:51 AM
RE: Pulling the "race card" card
(24-07-2013 11:50 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  The hiring is because my boss wants to keep his customers.
Non-racist.

Strictly speaking, no, but the customers are.

Is catering to racists a racist act?

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24-07-2013, 11:53 AM
RE: Pulling the "race card" card
(24-07-2013 11:51 AM)cjlr Wrote:  
(24-07-2013 11:50 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  The hiring is because my boss wants to keep his customers.
Non-racist.

Strictly speaking, no, but the customers are.

Is catering to racists a racist act?

Are the customers though?
You don't know their opinions and reasons.

And it depends, if you are catering for racist reasons then yes.
If not, then no.

My boss is catering to "maybe" racists for monetary reasons.
Aka, non racist.

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24-07-2013, 12:04 PM
RE: Pulling the "race card" card
(24-07-2013 11:53 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  Are the customers though?
You don't know their opinions and reasons.

You've said they prefer to be served by staff of European descent rather than those of Indian descent. That's as much as I know.

As to why - do you really think it's entirely based on non-racist opinions? Really?

(24-07-2013 11:53 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  And it depends, if you are catering for racist reasons then yes.
If not, then no.

My boss is catering to "maybe" racists for monetary reasons.
Aka, non racist.

I think that's wildly reductive. Racist/non-racist isn't some binary choice. Is allowing your actions to be informed by the racist opinions of others equally as bad? No. Is it totally unconnected? Obviously not.

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24-07-2013, 12:13 PM
RE: Pulling the "race card" card
Quote:You've said they prefer to be served by staff of European descent rather than those of Indian descent. That's as much as I know.

As to why - do you really think it's entirely based on non-racist opinions? Really?

Of course they're all a bunch of racists.
BUT you can't say with certainty that every single one of them is.
You don't know their opinions and reasons. For the sake of the discussion, all you/I know is that for whatever reason they prefer white to Indian. It could be purely communication reasons, it could be that they hate Indians for no good reasons.
For the sake of hiring someone, their reasons are entirely irrelevant anyway. All you need to know, with regards to hiring someone, is that they prefer white to Indian.

Quote:I think that's wildly reductive.

So? It's a pretty black and white (pun intended) situation. You either have racist reasons, or you don't.
You can have more then one reason... ie: You hire a white guy because that's what your customers want. BUT you also hire a white guy because you hate Indians.
That then would be a racist action because their is racist reasons behind the action.

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24-07-2013, 01:24 PM
RE: Pulling the "race card" card
So, your argument is that since you can't know what their actions are with absolute certainty, you can't call it racist?

So, your argument is that since you can't know that God doesn't exist with absolute certainty, that God exists?

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25-07-2013, 01:22 AM
RE: Pulling the "race card" card
(24-07-2013 01:24 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  So, your argument is that since you can't know what their actions are with absolute certainty, you can't call it racist?

So, your argument is that since you can't know that God doesn't exist with absolute certainty, that God exists?

Apples and oranges TBD.
You can't prove God exists or doesn't with 100% certainty, but the chances of a God existing are so small it's not worth mentioning.

People's opinions have a far greater chance of occurring.
ie: You can say my boss did it for racist reason, I can say he didn't. But we will never know which reason it was. The chances of it being one reason or the other are high, it could swing either way and I wouldn't be surprised with the result.
Compared to if God showed up on my doorstep I would shit a brick.


You can assume with fair chances of being accurate that he did it for racist reasons, but you can't say with certainty that it was.



You're wrong on this TBD and you know it.

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25-07-2013, 05:20 AM
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